The fact that these message boards don't let me type the slang word for 'gypsy' and has replaced it with 'travelling friend' on the post above says it all...... Deary me!!!!!

It's like Smokey TA summed up in one post



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On Fury, whilst I get the opinions on role models given......he has let his sport down I feel. I'm not a big fan of boxing but if I were I'd be so disappointed that people were talking about his controversial views instead of a rare British Heavyweight Champion.

For arguments sake let's say Sinfield or another RL player came out with the same views as Fury after his nomination and the next two weeks were spent criticising his views rather than praising his accomplishments and the sport he plays......as RL fans we'd be rightly disappointed because it's not doing the sport we love justice.

So maybe Fury's flaw isn't as a role model, more an ambassador for his sport, which is hard to disagree that he's let down post his win.

Whilst I kind of know what you mean, not being cowed by public opinion is one thing when you are standing for something positive, but (IMO) not so much when you are fighting for the rights of bigots and pub bores to offend at will. Especially when you are a world champion and therefore a role model and also have a retinue of hard men just in case you find yourself out of your depth (unlikely I'll grant you) But there is a massive difference between a Pub Bore and a celebrity, the one has a small audience who can move away if they are offended, the celebrity holding court reaches far more people with the possibility of doing more harm and causing wider offence.

It's got nothing to do with being PC. The fact that a dominant group, usually white men, could get away with insulting & discriminating against disadvantaged people - non-white, disabled, female, gay - often leading to violence, is not something we should look to return to & should be challenged.

Please - give your head a wobble..... And what exactly is 'disadvantaged' about being non-White, disabled, female or gay? And where does anything of what Fury has said end in violence. (Again, before someone shouts 'discrimination' at me for daring to question this - I fundementally disagree with Fury, but this type of way OTT reaction is more of an issue than anything Fury has said - dominant groups, usually straight white people, taking up the fight for those they deem 'disadvantaged' and therefore in need of their moral support)




I do get your point, but I think you overstate the influence someone like Fury actually has - the vast majority hear him talk and think 'what a tool' - I seriously doubt there is anyone out there who'd form or change a moral opinion based on something that buffoon says or does.

I've been more offended listening to him articulate himself like an over excited misguided teenager. He sounds thick, and not just because of the content.

But isn't Mr Fury from the travellers' community (a disadvantaged group)? He's probably a little confused as to whether he should be protected from comments, or should be protected from making comments

If you weren’t so keen to demonstrate you were an anti-PC warrior you would have seen I was talking past-tense. I am unfortunately old enough to have witnessed all those attitudes, predominantly in the 70s. When there is a culture that permits the pee taking of coloureds, disabled, female or gay people on TV sitcoms it is a short step to aggression & violence which I have witnessed & even participated in to a lesser extent. Or do you think we should return to those good old days.

It's a forum for debate, of course I am keen to demonstrate my opinion otherwise I wouldn't post...

But back to your valid point, I'd agree around the 'pee taking', but that's not what Fury has done - he's just given his views/beliefs.

Everybody hates paedophiles, right? Everybody agrees that paedophiles should be exposed, imprisoned and punished for their sick, evil desires. Heck, some people even go so far as vigilante mobs going out hunting paedophiles (although they're more likely to find a pediatrician).

Tyson Fury thinks homosexuals (and by extension, lesbians and bisexuals) are no better than paedophiles

Is it "un-PC" to condemn that for the lunatic opinion it clearly is? if it is, I'll quite happily put an un-PC t-shirt on.

I know Christianity is, when you dig into it, a pretty twisted religion with some screwed up tenets in its holy book but I'm pretty sure it doesn't teach you that being gay is on a level with wanting to have sex with children. That's not a religious belief, that's Tyson Fury's personal belief and it deserves to be mocked and ridiculed for the harmful, bigoted nonsense it is.

Completely agree that Fury deserves to be mocked and ridiculed, but don't agree that he should be expelled from any competition for voicing his opinion or view. I would add though, I don't think he was saying that gay people are no better than paedophiles- just that the bible condemns both (and a whole load of other nonsense about the devil rising)... He's just an opinionated buffoon, living by typical gypsy values.... So, where are all the people condemning all gypsies?

They're probably smart enough to know that not all travellers share Fury's opinions. In the same way they're smart enough to know that not all white people are racist, or that not all Muslims are terrorists.

Condemning an entire group of people for one person's views is something only an idiot would do.

He should be condemned, and challenged, but is starting a petition, and throwing a paddy to the BBC legitimately challenging his views?
It's amazing how far we've come as a society, 35 years ago Marvellous Marvin Hagler was racially abused in the build up to his middleweight title fight with Alan Minter (by Minter), was Minter greeted with outrage, and abuse from the British public? No, Hagler was pelted with bottles of beer from the crowd, and suffered more injuries from his walk back to the dressing room than he did in the fight. Thankfully, those days are over, but opinions were changed through reasoning, and debate, and engaging with people. Not through reactionary hyperbole.

Well as you ask....

Perhaps that even in what is apparently a ridiculously pc world, it isnt shocking for a prominent sportsman to equate gay people to paedophiles and plenty of blokes will say the same thing. In fact it is brave and admirable to stand put forth that view even though you will be criticised by

thankfully the likes of you and the printer are providing a great service by defending the real victims here, standing up for yourself when they wont even

The world really has gone mad, deary deary me.

Odds continue to lower down with some having him at 6/1 now. Ennis-Hill dropping a bit to 2/1 so perhaps 2nd place is in sight.

Meh, 2nd is as good (or bad) as last for Sir Kev

Another hysterical 'discrimination' screamer I see - I've not condoned anything Fury has said, and have stated I fundamentally disagree with his view.... But crack on kid....

I hate to sound like I'm defending him, because I really am not, but people are going over the top... Where does he equate gay people to paedophiles? I heard some stupid comment about who'd have thought in the 70's gay marriage would be acceptable, and that once Paedophiles are accepted the devil would rise - but no 'gays are he same as paedophiles'..... He's an absolute cretin and a complete ignorant fool, but you can't deny a man his right to air his beliefs (which it's worth pointing out do fall in line with his choice of religion - one that is prominent in this country)....

And for those stating not all gypsies are of the same view, I'm sure some aren't, but I know the majority are... It's their views/beliefs, I think it's a ridiculous belief system, but hey ho, each to their own.... I wish my wife shared some of the female gypsy views (but only so I'd never be expected to wash the pots).

Oh, and as for my laughing at the the slang word for gypsy being banned - I've never met a gypsy who would find that term derogatory.... I've played rugby with a group of brothers for many a year, it's a tag they're quite proud to wear.... They're not as touchy as some of the moral high grounders

Has anyone on here actually said he should be locked up for saying what he has?
If not then that is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech isn't where you can say what you like and no-one is allowed to criticise you for it. Other people are allowed their free speech in saying he's an idiot whose views should have died a long time ago.

I'd wager a few have signed the petition

Isn't the petition to get him taken off the SPOTY? Or is there another one?

can you point out where i say discrimination, or said that you condoned anything?

The same right that ensures Fury can air his beliefs, is the same right that others are using to criticise him.


im sure the traveller community are glad you feel empowered to speak on their behalf, but it is irrelevant. Travellers views arent free from criticism, and your seemingly rampant desire to use that term isnt of any importance.

I find the level of hysteria amongst some people regarding Fury's comments quite funny to be honest. You can bet everyone that is voting for Fury to be kicked off the awards will also have voted for Donald Trump to be banned from entering England. A lot of silly lefties have nothing better to do with their time than start campaigns about people that don't fit their agenda. Whilst Fury's comments could be judged to be controversial, I don't see anything illegal being uttered. The people signing the petition will be quite happy to watch Shadow Chancellor John MCDonnell on our TV screens, despite the fact he called for IRA terrorists to be honoured, and you can bet none of them were signing a petition to get Abu Hamza off our streets, despite his inflammatory rantings and cost to the taxpayer of millions of pounds that could have been better spent elsewhere. I can't but help think it's a vocal minority of politically motivated people that kick up such a fuss over people like Fury. As long as Andy Murray doesn't win I will be quite happy. Whether he even has a personality is open to debate.

There are a lot of people who dont want to defend fury, dont agree with what he said, think what he said was bad but...

Those people however do want to mitigate what he said, do want play down its importance, do certainly want to jump in and criticise and denigrate anyone who does criticise him and find the fact he has been criticised ridiculous. They also start a lot of sentences with "i dont want to defend him, but...." and "I dont agree with his views, but...."

I see what you're driving at but surely anyone sharing those views wouldn't lack the balls to admit it, particularly through a medium where their real identity remains hidden?

I've got no issue with Fury holding whatever views he wants to hold.

I've got a major issue with news outlets giving him the opportunity to express those views that have absolutely nothing to do with his sport.

I'd have been interested to see what sort of reaction a Muslim preacher going on TV and proclaiming women to be inferior and in need of being subjugated by men, or the acceptance of homosexuality being a sign of the apocalypse would have got, I suspect many of those dismissing Fury as "a bit of a lad" would be frothing at the mouth.