Less of the pathetic insults (and they were your words) just because you've been owned




How can you compare a 20 year old to a NRL star?

You started the insults little boy. You embarrass the club at away games, and you continue to embarrass yourself. The day you own anyone on here hobbit is the day the world ends.

When did I insult you?!

Please provide me with the evidence and what else are you on about?!

I think he is much better than the Sinfield we have for the last two years. I didn't mention Sinfield as he has already announced he will not be here. Hence we are currently left with Sutcliffe, Burrow and the aged McGuire, hence why I said he was a damn site better than what we have.

I notice the quick defence of your little favourite, but really there was no need. Had you asked me this three years back, I wouldn't have put Widdop better than Sinfield or McGuire, but we are talking about 2016 now, and he is a damn site better.

Is Sutcliffe on par with 20 year old Sinfield?

No. I don't believe he will ever be as good as Sinfield. But that is not an issue, as Sinfield was an extremely good player, one of the best. Just as McGuire was. Sutcliffe may well turn out to be a very good player still though, who knows maybe better than Widdop in a few years. But right now I repeat, Widdop is a damn site better player than the three we have for the half backs role, Sutcliffe, Burrow, and McGuire.

Up until his extended run in the half backs I thought Sutcliffe would never fit that role However he's changed my opinion big time. Give him time and I fully expect a player who will be committed to taking on leadership and being our in game kicker

Now, where's my apology?

Yet after 2016 we need another halfback, which seems to be overlooked. The club have obviously decided they need a top halfback to replace Sinfield, and I don't think they are wrong. I don't think the club are looking to a future without Sutcliffe, I think they are looking for the right move for 2016. A signing like Widdop is the sort of move a club like Leeds need to make. Sutcliffe will not be overlooked and will be the 2017 replacement.

totally agree with u what nrl every week and widdop is a real great player kicking game is spot on i think the signing of marshall was made st george change his game around him would be a great signing

Anyway

Why bring a NRL player in when we can use one of our youngsters who come through our great youth set up?

Just an idea....

Yeah your right, why did we bother with Cuthbertson, or Moon, or Aiton, or Kylie. Hell why did we bother with Ali, or Bai or Webb. Imagine how much more successfull we could have been.

I'm sure you didn't think through that last post, or having memory loss.

Again with the insults, dear me

Just a question, that's all. At times when a player is available you have to look at them however Leeds of late aren't a major buying in so why not look at promoting within?!

There is no insult there and you know it.

Your question is fine, it just overlooked what we have also built our success on. It's not as if we have done based this fully on homegrown players. The key is having the right external signing, and one that is significant to what the club want to achieve. You can't just replace a player like Sinfield, just like that, it needs to be one of equal importance considering the Influence Sinfield has on the team.

You just can't seem to have an adult debate without an insult here or there

Sinfield is a one off. To replace from outside will have added pressure to live up to previous success they have had with their current side. If you replace from within the person will have same pressure but will grown up around the successful environment of the Leeds club

Tricky area I understand and be interesting to see how the club copes in next 5 years or so

the last 10 years have been achieved by a great mix of youth and transfers from nrl or super league buderus,donald,ali,webb the list goes on some great transfers and a few not like cross and even eastwood could of been good if he could of lasted but wasnt to hot

We haven't been major buyers of late, however GH hasn't been faced with the departures that he's facing in 2015.

We haven't made a load of signings in previous off seasons however we still have managed to add guys who have become key players for us.

2015 - Cuthbertson
2014 - Briscoe (and eventually Aiton)
2013 - Moon
2012 - not so much (Griffin disappointed)
2011 - Hardaker
2010 - Delaney

That's my point!

If we make 3/4 signings for next season could be interesting to see how it affects the harmony of the team

Where a player has been suitable internally they have been the priority. We are going to lose so much in the next couple of years at half back that an external player coming in is about our only option.

As far as Someone who would fit in with the Leeds way and be of the quality needed, Widop is the right man

Tell me when I am debating with an adult.

When talking about replacing Sinfield though you are also looking for other qualities. A great kicking game, organising ability, and most importantly an extremely good goal kicker. If the club identify somebody who can tick all those boxes then that is what you go with. The pressure for a youngster trying to fulfill those additional roles as well as replacing Sinfield as a player will be far greater than bringing in a proven success from an other club.

I wasn't the one with personal digs like "little man" etc so....


Where's my apology?!




We have to approach in the sense of we can't find 'another Sinfield' We won't be able to find a player of Sinfields leadership ability

Yes we probably won't have someone with his leadership ability, but someone else might step up to the plate for that. But we need someone with a strong kicking game, organisational ability, and even more important at least a strong goal kicker. These cant be overlooked.

Eagle has it spot on, as i said on previous page, we are replacing Sinfield for 2016, but we also need to take into account 2017 and the loss of McGuire, hence the need for the club to identify the right player.

where did I mention McGuire you struggling with reading now?

Personally I don't rate Widdop and if we were signing a marquee player I would want somebody who will make a bigger impact. We need a half back with a strong kicking game something Widdop doesn't really have

Firstly I don't think we'll ever be able to replace him with a like for like. I'm not sure there are many players that can tick all those boxes, but I would replace kicking game with leadership/motivating. I think our kicking game did revolve around him and McGuire/Burrow. Our kicking game has looked pretty decent without him. I'm sure a few kicks have come from Watkins and Moon, which isn't ideal but adds an unpredictable element. The last few years our kicking game has been a bit on off at times. Even against weaker fullbacks the kick has seemed to go straight to them and Sinfield has been guilty of a few of those. Debatably it could come from the control/position the forwards were offering.

Ratchford, M.Smith, Brough, Walsh and Gale from SL could tick the boxes, but questionable on the leadership department that Sinfield offers. All would come with a price tag as well. If McGuire isn't resigned then someone of that calibre needs to be signed.

I think if you're looking at the goalkicking department. I'm sure there was an article where Sinfield said he learnt a lot Van Straaten when he as at the Tykes. Obviously only so much can be added to natural ability, but I don't think Sinfield became the main kicker until 2003ish when he was like 23-24? Sutcliffe is only 20 and seems to have good ability so far. I'm sure he'll still have Sinny to learn off and they could always bring someone in to mentor him.

With regards to the last tackle kicks. All are options can kick well....we've seen that before. The problem lies with slow PTB's and uncrisp passing from dummy half. So often the kicker is left with a defender just a few metres from his face and pressuring the kick (often why we spread to the centres to kick).

I don't think enough thought goes into the previous play and which player makes the carry and thus could potentially make the quicker PTB. For all of Peacock's quality and career at Leeds, he can be painfully slow getting up to PTB, so having him take the previous carry in before a kick isn't the best idea.

I think you have misread my post mate, or maybe I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't saying you are just looking for a player who could do those things, I was saying you need a player who is quality doing those things in ADDITION to been a top quality player also. That is where replacing becomes harder than just looking at your youth.