Agree regarding not dropping briscoe and hall was very good. But then I don't think he has been bad all year.

Regarding the maguire pass I have to say I don't think briscoe was at fault thought the pass from mags was wrong

This.
I also thought Watkins passing into touch was the wrong option and not TB's fault.

Ryan Hall was class, is class has been class.

Aye, he's not bad for a fat get.

I guess that William is busy washing his hair this weekend

who? ryan or gareth?

Still no sign of Billy.

Hall by plenty.

Dunno about that. It was on Saints territory, play had opened up and there was a try on if the pass went to hand. Right option not well executed IMOSVHO.

I'd like to see Briscoe just check a yard or two in those positions. He's over-run a few passes from Watkins and McGuire. I don't think it can all be down to him, between them they need to get it right. For me with his speed, strength and step he doesn't need to be taking the ball that flat. Just get a pass that gets him on the outside shoulder.

Agreed, it's not a case of blaming or singling out one player. All three/four involved (I'd included Hardaker too) down that side just need to work on their execution together. We showed more intent in attack this time, with crisper play we could've had at least two more scores down that right hand side in the first half.

Hall showed Makinson you need more than a nice one handed dive finish. Makinson's no mug, so will be a nice reality check for the lad.

Saints comfortably losing last 3, makes London at home a bit of a relief of a fixture.

I rate Makinson, good athlete, high skill level, good instincts. He's going to be a terrific player.

Given that only out resident troll wanted to make this stuff about a score between the two, I'd rather focus on what a good game Ryan Hall had. Don't think Makinson did a lot wrong.

The resurrection of old threads are indicative of the pertinence of the original points being made. The desperation involved in bookmarking and resurrecting on this occasion is duly noted however. I'm quite sure that among Ryan's most vociferous twig-snapping admirers, it remains the case that when he plays well, it's because he's the W'B'W. When he plays poorly it's all Joel Moon's fault.

A good performance by the World's 'Biggest' Winger on Saturday from a "Poor Man's Lesley Vainikolo" perspective. Particularly so given the absence of tries on his part. That's what wingers are for aren't they? To score tries? And he didn't score any... again!

By my reckoning... and I'll defer to TVOC here if I'm mistaken... Hall and Makinson have played against one another in Leeds V Saints games on 7 occasions. I believe the current scoreline is Hall 1 try, Makinson 6 tries.

On an unrelated point, Saints were extremely poor on Saturday. They've lost their last 3 fixtures but could quite easily not have won any of their previous 7 fixtures as they rode their luck against Wakey, Hudds (in the CC), Castleford and edged out Leeds with a last minute Makinson try. Was Hohaia injured? If not, why wasn't he playing at stand off instead of the gawd awful Wilkin? I think they are missing Wheeler badly and their Aussie scrum half Walsh was clearly playing injured and didn't give the impression he wanted to be out there as he overindulged in several soccer-esque episodes of amateur dramatics regarding his injury concerns.

Given Leeds overall team performance on Saturday, I think Saints would have needed to play the best they'd done all season to get anywhere near and they were nowhere near. From a Leeds perspective, there's much work to be done. That game should have been done and dusted at half time with the amount of possession and field position they had.

And right on cue, my biggest stalker has just turned up inside less than 5 minutes with a response.

Just like "Moschops" used to

Are you Eddie Hemmings?

Probably down to Moon.

As an aside, and I don't expect you to engage in a sensible discussion about this, but Moon's try was a perfect example of Moon's failings as a centre whilst also illustrative of his stronger points. From the moment he received the ball against a defence that had been dragged from right to left, his sole intention was to run wider, taking all of Hall's space away.

Now, on this occasion he had the strength to score and it was a decent enough try but was also illustrative of what he always does, ball in hand. It's why he's a decent player but he'll never be a Brad Godden. No spacial awareness at all.

On how many of those occasions was Moon the centre for Hall and what was Hall's try tally against Saints like before 2013?

OMG thats almost sensible

From someone who's gone through more usernames than anyone on the internet ever...

And I was just in the process of quoting someone else actually when you happened to post your load of drivel.

By my reckoning, that particular record probably belongs to our resident lycra wearing gym loiterer Loiner James AKA Flexwheeler, Snake Eater, Wilfred T Pricklepop, Jack Bauer and many many more.

The job of the winger like every player is to contribute to a positive result for the team.

As far as I'm aware based on other sources... Hall has scored 4 tries during his last 10 appearances against St Helens.

[uHall's 5 appearances V St Helens (2013-2014)[/u
Centre partner Moon 4 times - 2 tries scored
Centre partner Ward 1 time - 0 tries scored

[uHall's 5 appearances V St Helens (2011-2012)[/u
Centre partner Hardaker 2 times - 0 tries
Centre partner Ablett 1 time - 1 try
Centre partner Delaney 1 time - 0 tries
Centre partner Senior 1 time - 1 try

Quote ="G1"Probably down to Moon. As an aside, and I don't expect you to engage in a sensible discussion about this, but Moon's try was a perfect example of Moon's failings as a centre whilst also illustrative of his stronger points. From the moment he received the ball against a defence that had been dragged from right to left, his sole intention was to run wider, taking all of Hall's space away. Now, on this occasion he had the strength to score and it was a decent enough try but was also illustrative of what he always does, ball in hand. It's why he's a decent player but he'll never be a Brad Godden. No spacial awareness at all. On how many of those occasions was Moon the centre for Hall and what was Hall's try tally against Saints like before 2013?'" Hall's try tally prior to 2013 was 11 in 16 appearances vs Saints Since then it's 2 in 4 appearances with Moon at centre (one more with Ward without scoring). Both coming in the 20-12 win at Langtree last year. One try didn't involve Moon, the other did. In fact it was probably his best piece of attacking centre work in his time at the club and saw him originally running back inside before straightening up, shame we haven't seen a bit more of this since then. m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOD6b9Tabs

Quote ="G1"Probably down to Moon. As an aside, and I don't expect you to engage in a sensible discussion about this, but Moon's try was a perfect example of Moon's failings as a centre whilst also illustrative of his stronger points. From the moment he received the ball against a defence that had been dragged from right to left, his sole intention was to run wider, taking all of Hall's space away. Now, on this occasion he had the strength to score and it was a decent enough try but was also illustrative of what he always does, ball in hand. It's why he's a decent player but he'll never be a Brad Godden. No spacial awareness at all. On how many of those occasions was Moon the centre for Hall and what was Hall's try tally against Saints like before 2013?'" Hall's try tally prior to 2013 was 11 in 16 appearances vs Saints Since then it's 2 in 4 appearances with Moon at centre (one more with Ward without scoring). Both coming in the 20-12 win at Langtree last year. One try didn't involve Moon, the other did. In fact it was probably his best piece of attacking centre work in his time at the club and saw him originally running back inside before straightening up, shame we haven't seen a bit more of this since then. m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOD6b9Tabs

Any centre in the game would have done the same as Moon in that situation. The try was their for the taking and he scored it, as he should have done. Watkins does exactly the same in many similar situations this year.

I see no mention of the one in the first half, where Moon gave the ball to Hall with acres of space in the Saints 20, but the choice was to run at the defender, rather than round him. That is not a fault of Hall, it mearly highlights that what you say you crave for, you actually miss all the time when it happens. Halls strongest point in try scoring, will and always has been execution in limited space with strength against the defender. Using the space around a defender is not something he looks for. I am sure Moon also knows what Halls strengths are.

I don't think there are many defenders hanging around out wide that Hall will stand up and go round. You need some after-burners for that and acceleration of that kind is not one of Hall's assets. As Gotcha says, it isn't an option in any relatively confined space. There are very few wingers who would have successfully taken the touchline route if I'm thinking of the same incident.

He does have good speed once motoring and is an absolute nightmare to stop close to the line. And if he can get enough space for his speed to get him on the outside, he takes some putting over the touchline.