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| Quote ="uglybug"Was there a match on Saturday?
Judging by the reaction everywhere, people are more concerned about someone puting the V's up.
The publicity generated by this has started grabbing headlines in the South. Shame it took this act rather than the final itself to generate publicity down there, but you know what they say - Theres no such thing as bad publicity.'"
Agree 100%. Which is why Tomkins would be advised to show more maturity in future. His actions have taken the gloss off a good Wigan performance in the best final for a number of years. He's harmed you far more than he has us IMO. |
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The publicity generated by this has started grabbing headlines in the South. Shame it took this act rather than the final itself to generate publicity down there, but you know what they say - Theres no such thing as bad publicity.'"
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"Well, actually I got the idea from your players ... Who didn't seem to want to compete when wearing a national jersey, by virtue that they were sharing the same dressing room with half the Leeds team that had turning them over in the Grand Final.
Always a giveaway that there's trouble at t'mill, when the RFL put out a press statement that there's no squad disunity problems with the national team.
I'd have my work cut out to match the Saints players, who were boycotting the national side whilst they were still actually playing in it ....'"
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| I'm not surprised Leeds fans are planning on boycotting the Four Nations. They couldnt even be bothered to turn up to support their team at Wembley!!! I hope they do boycott the Four Nations - it will save us the embarrassment of having the Aussies laughing their t*ts off at us booing one of our own players!!! 
Ryan Bailey - TMFMIS?????? Do me a favour - didnt see him squaring up to Lima or Coley!!! WIMP!  |
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Quote ="AdmiralHanson"At least the incident is being 'invetigated' :
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 695413.stm
But frankly folks, we all know what the standards of an RFL investigation are and increasingly, Red Hall has been acting like some Third World Banana Republic (after all, when was any player of any colour last suspended for a cup final / grand final ? Thus, giving abolustely no incentive to behave). Does anyone realistically think that someone on (one would suspect) a salary in excess of a hundred thousand per year be bothered by couple of hundred pounds 'slap on the wrist' by the RFL ?
Much has been made by the booing of him at the Exiles game (and whilst I didn't partake of it myself, I can understand the reactions towards him, given his penalty-milking antics across Northern England) but it is worthwhile considering that Leeds fans seem to have been blamed for the booing, most of the regular Leeds fans were in their regular places in the South Stand and thus, you'd expect the noise to come from the regular places (e.g the back etc.) ... It didn't and from what I could see, most of the noise was coming from down the front and sides, where there were groups of (amongst others) Cas and Hull (both sets) fans. To label it a Leeds problem only is laughable.
And, given the supposed respect campaign towards match officials, check out the reaction of Sam Tompkins towards Rob Hicks after the scoring of the last Ryan Hall try at Wembley ... A flurry of screaming abuse towards someone doing their job to the best of their abilities.
Both these incidents of behaviour are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.
Interestingly, in Aussie Rules (a game noted for its biff once-upon-a-time), they used to double the length of bans for trouble during showpiece occasions, but don't expect anything as forward thinking from the RFL.
Brining me on to my main point, in a couple of weeks time, Leeds fans will be asked by the RFL to unite behind the odious Sam Tompkins and his slightly less odious brother Joel kick-a-man-on-the-ground Tompkins as if nothing has happend.
Well folks, if you support this idea, things could be different this year and perhaps force the RFL's hand in to taking some serious action against these sort of antics.
Do not dismiss 'fan power' and power of the pounds in Leeds fans pockets. After all, why do you think the Exiles game was played at Leeds and heavily pluged to Leeds fans in an attempt to get them to turn up ? I would estimate that at some internationals that Leeds fans make up some 20% - 25% of the fans attended.
Take those levels of fans away and it going to hit the RFL in somewhere where they will finally start to take notice ... Their back pockets. I would suggest that the Four Nations runs on margins where a 20% drop in projected revenue is going to make a serious difference.
So, what can you do ?
I know some of you will have got tickets for the England games already and that's fair enough .... But for those of you that haven't and were thinking of going, do you really want to pay your hard earned cash towards someone that shows that level of contempt towards you ?
Is Sam Tompkins worthy of representing this nation on the back of those sort of antics and abuse towards match officials ?
The ball is very much in the RFL's court and if they fail to deal with this matter, then our response is to not support the 'national' team.
You might also want to consider boycotting England shirts and merchandise (they don't look very good anyway) and / or withdrawing your email address and details from RFL mailing lists.
Wembley is going to look very big and very empty without the thousands of Leeds fans that otherwise would be there .... And let's see the RFL try and fill it with Wigan 'bandwaggoners' and Hunslet fans etc. They need us down there far more than we need them (you could always watch the national side getting hammered on Sky, if you're that interested)'"
Everybody trys to milk penalties he just does it better than most.
and look at Danny McGuire and baily before you have ago at Tomkins, you can say the same about McGuire..Great player on his day i dont think any fan doesnt admit that...but his sportsmanship is just poor Much dirtier players than Tomkins, McGuire at the final whistle was just shocking and pathetic, Bailey always gets involved in stuff that has nothing to do with him he should of been sent off, i think i recall about 5 warnings in the game just for him. and tomkins was silly for what he did but in all of this i see the Pot calling the kettle black. no need to drag such a silly little incedent on for so long.
Also James graham is a whining little so and so and screams in the refs face more than anyone...Doesnt mean any of them deserve to be boo'd when wearing an England shirt so i really dont see how you can understand someone doing that to an international...
Also what about Bailey headbutting a player and offering 4 of them out? (if its true thats even worse than what tomkins did and i'd hope bailey would be up for similar to tomkins.) |
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news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 695413.stm
But frankly folks, we all know what the standards of an RFL investigation are and increasingly, Red Hall has been acting like some Third World Banana Republic (after all, when was any player of any colour last suspended for a cup final / grand final ? Thus, giving abolustely no incentive to behave). Does anyone realistically think that someone on (one would suspect) a salary in excess of a hundred thousand per year be bothered by couple of hundred pounds 'slap on the wrist' by the RFL ?
Much has been made by the booing of him at the Exiles game (and whilst I didn't partake of it myself, I can understand the reactions towards him, given his penalty-milking antics across Northern England) but it is worthwhile considering that Leeds fans seem to have been blamed for the booing, most of the regular Leeds fans were in their regular places in the South Stand and thus, you'd expect the noise to come from the regular places (e.g the back etc.) ... It didn't and from what I could see, most of the noise was coming from down the front and sides, where there were groups of (amongst others) Cas and Hull (both sets) fans. To label it a Leeds problem only is laughable.
And, given the supposed respect campaign towards match officials, check out the reaction of Sam Tompkins towards Rob Hicks after the scoring of the last Ryan Hall try at Wembley ... A flurry of screaming abuse towards someone doing their job to the best of their abilities.
Both these incidents of behaviour are not acceptable and should not be tolerated.
Interestingly, in Aussie Rules (a game noted for its biff once-upon-a-time), they used to double the length of bans for trouble during showpiece occasions, but don't expect anything as forward thinking from the RFL.
Brining me on to my main point, in a couple of weeks time, Leeds fans will be asked by the RFL to unite behind the odious Sam Tompkins and his slightly less odious brother Joel kick-a-man-on-the-ground Tompkins as if nothing has happend.
Well folks, if you support this idea, things could be different this year and perhaps force the RFL's hand in to taking some serious action against these sort of antics.
Do not dismiss 'fan power' and power of the pounds in Leeds fans pockets. After all, why do you think the Exiles game was played at Leeds and heavily pluged to Leeds fans in an attempt to get them to turn up ? I would estimate that at some internationals that Leeds fans make up some 20% - 25% of the fans attended.
Take those levels of fans away and it going to hit the RFL in somewhere where they will finally start to take notice ... Their back pockets. I would suggest that the Four Nations runs on margins where a 20% drop in projected revenue is going to make a serious difference.
So, what can you do ?
I know some of you will have got tickets for the England games already and that's fair enough .... But for those of you that haven't and were thinking of going, do you really want to pay your hard earned cash towards someone that shows that level of contempt towards you ?
Is Sam Tompkins worthy of representing this nation on the back of those sort of antics and abuse towards match officials ?
The ball is very much in the RFL's court and if they fail to deal with this matter, then our response is to not support the 'national' team.
You might also want to consider boycotting England shirts and merchandise (they don't look very good anyway) and / or withdrawing your email address and details from RFL mailing lists.
Wembley is going to look very big and very empty without the thousands of Leeds fans that otherwise would be there .... And let's see the RFL try and fill it with Wigan 'bandwaggoners' and Hunslet fans etc. They need us down there far more than we need them (you could always watch the national side getting hammered on Sky, if you're that interested)'"
Everybody trys to milk penalties he just does it better than most.
and look at Danny McGuire and baily before you have ago at Tomkins, you can say the same about McGuire..Great player on his day i dont think any fan doesnt admit that...but his sportsmanship is just poor Much dirtier players than Tomkins, McGuire at the final whistle was just shocking and pathetic, Bailey always gets involved in stuff that has nothing to do with him he should of been sent off, i think i recall about 5 warnings in the game just for him. and tomkins was silly for what he did but in all of this i see the Pot calling the kettle black. no need to drag such a silly little incedent on for so long.
Also James graham is a whining little so and so and screams in the refs face more than anyone...Doesnt mean any of them deserve to be boo'd when wearing an England shirt so i really dont see how you can understand someone doing that to an international...
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Come now, it's been a few days since the final. You can back away from your rant quietly and nobody will mind.'"
I'm no fan of Saints (  ) but AdmiralHanson's comments on your players are frankly bizarre.
Is this some kind of reference to the Leeds/Saints issues at GB/England level a few years ago?
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| Quote ="WQrriors"
Also what about Bailey headbutting a player and offering 4 of them out? (if its true thats even worse than what tomkins did and i'd hope bailey would be up for similar to tomkins.)'"
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"And your proof of this is ....'"
probably the same as your proof that saints players boycotted the england team whilst on tour |
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I want to know who this new English player is? TomPkins, never heard much of him before
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| Quote ="fatbaztod100"I want to know who this new English player is? TomPkins, never heard much of him before'"
Can you not read mate lionarmour has fielded about 6 posts on this thread regarding the miss-spelling of tomkins Burrow and Mcguire
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Cant believe these fans have so much hatred for the top english player we have, although not a rhinos fan i am a leeds united fan and wouldnt dream of booing someone like rooney whos club side i detest with a passion! Its a pathetic thought booing our own in an england shirt just because he doesnt do what you like during a game, thats what the club games are there for why cant you babies just put your dummies back in and get behind the country!
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| Quote ="Weekend Warrior"Ryan Bailey - TMFMIS?????? Do me a favour - didnt see him squaring up to Lima or Coley!!! WIMP!
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Yes because it's a yard stick of 'hardness' by wanting to square up against Coley.
As for Lima, he's very handy on the blind side, third man in, around the knees.
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| Quote ="Hopie"I agree the RFL should censure Tomkins for gesturing at the crowd and that the respect the referees get is just not good enough, Tomkins should not be grabbing the referee for example
The attitude of Wigan fans to this is typical of a "my club is more important than the game" a spreading disease (it was an attitude invented in Wigan after all), it is why attendances from neutrals at cup finals and anyone at internationals have fallen because there is no community to the game, there is more joy in others failure than in their own success
i will be at all of england's internationals this year, i didnt attend the non international farce where players wore england shirts earlier this year - i hope tomkins turns out to be the messiah that wigan fans believe him to be rather than a player playing in a position for his club to hide his defensive frailties and because he couldnt oust a NRL reject from his preferred position who looks good in a winning team and barely registers at the highest level'"
So leeds fans crying over an incident that is hardly worth commenting on because they lost the cup final and threatening to boycott the International Game that badly needs support is not a perfect example of the attitude highlighted in bold.
Wonder next time McGuire or Sinfield blow up at the touch judges, which they both regularly do there will be a call to boycott the International matches?........actually thinking about it probably not as neither should get near an International shirt. |
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How embarrassing for all the sensible Leeds fans.... And a great excuse for the idiots who need an excuse not to turn up....
Oh let me rephrase that, ANOTHER excuse not to turn up.
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So basically youre suggesting that you would only watch England in the 4 nations if they dropped their "best player" as some pundits call him?
Are you an idiot? Would I refuse to go if they played Peacock? No would I refuse to go if he decided to pick Bailey for some odd reason? NO Because Bailey would be in an England shirt and that would mean I was behind him 100% until he takes it off and puts his Leeds shirt back on.
Some people need to grow up. Did you act like this when Long was in his prime? He was just as cocky and did exactly what Tomkins has done but he was never treated this way. Do you think that Bradford fans would boycott the matches if Burrow played.
Hell, I'd even accept McGuire if he had an England shirt on!
BTW WHY DO YOU BLOODY YORKSHIRE IDIOTS HAVE TO PUT A 'P' IN HIS NAME?! ITS NOT HARD!!!!
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| Quote ="hula89"So basically youre suggesting that you would only watch England in the 4 nations if they dropped their "best player" as some pundits call him?
Are you an idiot? Would I refuse to go if they played Peacock? No would I refuse to go if he decided to pick Bailey for some odd reason? NO Because Bailey would be in an England shirt and that would mean I was behind him 100% until he takes it off and puts his Leeds shirt back on.
Some people need to grow up. Did you act like this when Long was in his prime? He was just as cocky and did exactly what Tomkins has done but he was never treated this way. Do you think that Bradford fans would boycott the matches if Burrow played.
Hell, I'd even accept McGuire if he had an England shirt on!
BTW WHY DO YOU BLOODY YORKSHIRE IDIOTS HAVE TO PUT A 'P' IN HIS NAME?! ITS NOT HARD!!!!'"
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"This is only part of the problem. Match Officials should have a purge on back chat (especially from non-Captains) and perhaps repeated incidents of normal back chat during any game should have the player concerned kicking their heels the following week ? '"
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"cant wait for next seasons fixture list,my trip home will be timed to the Wigan home game.I think the whole ground will erupt everytime he gets a touch,very reminisant of when Cantona came back to E R.'"
Are you serious? You're sounding nearly as obsessed as AdmiralHansen
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| Quote ="talulah"Are you serious? You're sounding nearly as obsessed as AdmiralHansen
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| Quote ="talulah":3ifabx3lAre you serious? You're sounding nearly as obsessed as AdmiralHansen
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I'm guessing that you weren't at Headingley last night then and didn't hear the chants of "Sam Tomkins is w*nker... is a w*nker"?'"
Well, no. Being a Wigan fan I didn't feel the urge to. I heard about it though.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"If you read between the lines.I am a long way from home I have budgeted to take two trips home per season and I dont want them to coincide with a team like lastnights.
I chose Wire this year and giants away next week ,I made a mistake on that one, I thought it was at home[I forgot the drubbing they gave us.I am coming for the Wigan game because its Wigan'"
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| Quote ="talulah"That sounds fair enough. I guess you come over to watch a good match and not just to sing silly chants about one Wigan player!'"
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| Quote ="talulah"Well, no. Being a Wigan fan I didn't feel the urge to. I heard about it though.
A bit sad that your supporters should be chanting about a Wigan player when you're playing Wakefield, isn't it? Smells like obsession!'"
Of course there is the other chanting obsession and its not just confined to Rugby league ,it also get sung at FA prem games .How does it go "we all hate LEEDS,we all hate LEEDS".These things catch on |
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) but AdmiralHanson's comments on your players are frankly bizarre.
