make your mind up

Best one ive heard from you lot is ' we're not y any more' excellent reply lol

It is.

Leeds have nothing to prove.

You have it all to prove over the next 2 months.

i'd go as far as to say we've got it to prove over the next few years before we are where we all want to be.

which is challenging for major honours year in year out.

That said ask any fan of any team if they'd have taken a CC final and 2nd in the league at this stage of the season and anyone who says they wouldn't is lying.

Not me, I wanted a CC final and 5th in the league.

yes of course

will be a great day out....after we'd beaten sts i hoped that wire would win!! got my tickets today , upper tier, not very happy about that however!!

But we didn't we were shocking that day, bai brain fart, ward missed tackle.

who's to say you won't be shocking this year,,,,

The Ward miss tackle.

It was a poor one on one especially as he was against Cooke.

But to be fair, Ward's try got us back into the game and didn't he also play 80m?? With the injuries that occured. Not a bad effort.

Or 79 minutes to be accurate??

Not according to the bookies, and they don't make many mistakes.

Leeds are favs and thats fine with me.

This is the one you really want well according to Senior.

Warrington are the favourites. Anyone who claims otherwise is watching a different sport to me.

Do I think Leeds can win though - of course they can.

I want some of what you're having or are you certified?

Erm, in case it's escaped your attention, you are the holders and you are above us in the league. Now, i am not saying I necessarily agree with TVOC but it's an easily justifiable position to take.

Unless you're saying he should be certified for saying we could beat you, in which case this thread might be worth a book mark.

So the team that is currently second in the league shouldn't be favourites against the team fifth in the league, on a neutral venue, despite the fact they have scored more points and conceded less points this season?

You don't work for a bookmakers do you?

Remind me of wire v leeds scores this season?

No.

Look 'em up yourself.

I know its fashionable to claim to be the underdogs but if Warrington fans had come on here bragging with confidence that they were going to beat Leeds, they would have been laughed off the board. Leeds are the reigning three times in a row Super League champions.

I don't think there is masses in it but I do think Leeds are distinct favourites. If it came down to betting the mortgage I bet most neutrals would put it on Leeds, when it counts (as in the last three Grand Finals) they deliver a performance. Warrington are a decent team, second in the league and Challenge Cup holders which makes us one of the top teams around at the moment but we do not have a good record against Leeds or Saints.

Warrington have been more consistent in the league than Leeds this season but Leeds have had worse problems with injuries and a full strength Leeds side should have enough to beat a full strength Warrington side, they have got a lot of experience of winning big games and the fact that this is the one trophy which has eluded them, will only make them want it more.

I would estimate the probabilities as about 65% likelihood of a Leeds win and 35% likelihood of a Warrington win, ie if I was a neutral I would bet on Leeds but I would be nervous about Warrington winning.

Before the semi final I remember saying that if it came to us v Leeds in the final, then I thought it would be a close game as it often is between the two teams, and that because a lot of these Leeds players haven't won the Challenge Cup, that if we made Leeds face losing (ie had them behind on the scoreboard in the final 15 minutes) then they would become tetchy and panicky and we would go on to win. However that is exactly what Saints did in the semi and Leeds had the mental togetherness to come through and win it so I've re-evaluated my guess more in Leeds favour, as I can't see Warrington whacking Leeds out of sight, it will probably be quite a close final. Leeds have been relentless in being able to bear down strong Saints sides in big games so the task facing Warrington is massive.

Overall to give an analogy I would say this is similar to if Roger Federer had been out for a while through injury and his world ranking had slipped to 5th, and Andy Murray was in good form and was 2nd in the world rankings, then they met in a final. Murray might be seeded higher....but would you regard him as favourite, I wouldn't.

Ok, I am convinced. We will d1ck Warrington easily.

Happy?

Sally brought across a good arguement there... even im convinced we will win now

You had me at "d!ck."

Back OT, is this game Rugby league's own Charity Shield? Champions versus Cup Holders?

we
could be and if we are you will probably win. But I think if Leeds play well we will win. If both sides play well we will still win.