Whilst Sutcliffe was poor tonight we have to persevere with him and have Lilley as his half back partner in the absence of McGuire.
Not sure why people are saying Burrow or Falloon at hooker.
Burrow on the bench with Falloon at 9.
I would also have had Achurch in the 17 tonight against a big Wire pack.
For me the jury's still out with Sutcliffe but I will be delighted to be proved wrong.
Singleton and Galloway played well tonight and Ferres did his bit .
Watkins did very little following on from his England games.
Not too down but we need a goalkicker .

Lilley is not just a one game wonder. At the end of last season and in the pre season games this year he has shown he has the ability to start in the first team now. Sutclife had a purple spell last year without ever showing the ability or appetite to control a game or indeed that stand off is his best position. IMO Lilley looks a classier half back and when he came on tonight he did more than anyone, except perhaps Moon, to open up the Warrington defence.

To be fair to Sutcliffe, he's just coming back from a knee reconstruction, and was playing on one leg for most of the game, so it's unfair to judge him too much based on that game. Lilley does look like a natural though.

Yes patience is needed after such a serious injury......however some people on here have zero patience.

Need to somehow get Ashton Golding into the 17 as well, he is too good to be not playing.

Yet he's proved it time and time again

TBF Sutty looked like a picked up a stinger around the same time as Magsy, but obviously we couldn't take him off because we'd have been left with no hooker.

Lilley did look ready for SL and if Magsy's out he should play.

Most important right now is getting Falloon fit to play against Widnes. Do that and we have Burrow to come off the bench and support the halfbacks.

If Sutty is still not 100% (and he didn't look it last night) then Lilley should be playing alongside Magsy.

No he hasn't. When has he ever proved it? He is a world class player who can come up with a game breaking skill. He is not a player who can dictate the game play and move his team around. Never has been. Hence why Lilley is the better partner, who can move the team around, kick, and allow his partner to come up with the skill play.

On their day they're all clearly exceptional players. So here's a novel suggestion: why not play the pairing that's fittest and/or showing the best form? Granted, our halves may not play well week in, week out but we don't have a problem there in the true sense of the word.

Where? our back 5 picks itself currently. Great to have golding and handley in the squad great back up.

Did you watch us last season?

Yep.

Sutcliffe & McGuire as our halves, both proved what they can do last season. Sutcliffe showed his potential and McGuire showed he's not past it.

Lilley looks a very able backup with great potential but there's no need to rush him, he'll get plenty of game time this season. The future is bright with Sutcliffe, Lilley & Golding.

Yes and it never happened last year. He doesn't have it in his locker. You can't just rewrite history by saying something.

Well guess this doesnt matter for the time being, Mcguire out for two months.
Obviously a huge blow re the WCC and the tough run of games weve got.
On the plus side its early in the season and we will hopefully get to see abit of the future if Lilly and Sutcliffe are played together
Have they played in the academy together or did they just miss each other?
Also I would like to see Hardaker made captain, looked to be lacking a little confidence re kicking and the captaincy could be the boost he needs

Over the last 3/4 years McGuire has spent a lot of time pushing ang telling players where to go in attack. He has run a lot of our game. I fear the next 2 months will show how his absence impacts our play. It could be a rough run to April.

I would like to see Sutcliffe at 6 and Lilley at 7, with Burrow at 9 or on the bench if Falloon is fit.

We need to put the trust in those two,if we expect them to be future stars let's give them some faith and experience now.

He'll be fit and back on top form ready for our middle 8's campaign

You need to be in the top 4 or no more than a point or 2 away by the time the middle 8's roll around, otherwise you ain't making that ground up. If Leeds struggle in this first 2 months. they'll be playing catch up for the rest of the regular season and quite possibly will not be able to get into a position of sufficient strength for when the super 8's begin.

I said middle 8's not super 8's

Honestly, I don't know what you were watching last season. Or seasons gone by. Who was moving us around and leading us when Sinfield wasn't playing? McGuire was superb last year.

Not McGuire that is who. It hasn't happened. You can keep dreaming about it but it hasn't happened yet. MCGuire brings other qualities to the side which is more relevant to your superb statement.

Well it certainly did first half of last year especially dont see where you're coming from he was superb when Sinfields form was indifferent to say the least coupled with the niggles up until mid summer. It's your opinion and i appreciate that but certainly not one i would go along with.

I'm staying a bit more optimistic than that. Even without McGuire we have a lot of good players

I'd suggest you rewatch some of last years games if you can. Especially in the first half of the season. If McGuire wasn't moving us around the pitch and leading, who was? Sutcliffe?

cuthbo?