Top effort from Sinfield, top tackler and only forward to make over 100m, great stuff.
Diskin's 10 carries for 20m is dire.

Why?

I'd expect my grandad to make more than 20m from 10 carries never mind a pro.

What role do you think he was playing?

Did you watch the game or are your observations purely based upon the statistics?

well buderus made 54m with the same amount of carries

What Gareth is getting at is If hooker A played the right ball from dummy half resulting in x number of tries but only made 20 m in the game, that is better than hooker B running 54m but running nowhere useful and not setting up a try. And he is quite correct generally.

On this occassion though, I am still firmly of the opinion that Buderus had a good game and Diskin had a not so good game.

Once again interesting, that last week Bailey "alledgedly" had a better game than Burgess because Bailey had started the match with the inital impact of the game, where Burgess had the luxury of playing when Catalans where "alledgedly" tired.

Yet this week Buderus plays that first period, giving Diskin the ultimate advantage of coming on at a time Leeds are on a role and against a tired and retreating defence. Yet what's the view? you guessed it.

I guess you were wrong re-O'meeley being streets ahead on the stats then mate!

Thank's for reminding me, I forgot all about that.

Actually looking at those stats, O'Meley was not as dominant as I thought. It is still better than all the Leeds props and Hull's, but for Burgess.

Didn't someone say last week that you can't take the stats at full face value and look at other things in the game.

On that basis O'Meley was streets ahead IMO

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Fair point!
One thing for sure is we'll have to match them up front again this weekend and improve 100% which i think we will.

The error count is still clearly a problem and we are making some basic errors that we must stamp out however, I also thought that once we got out in front we did try one or two things that really did not come off, but I was at last pleased to see us trying to be creative and put Hull to the sword. That said, last year those half-chances did come off because we were playing with confidence, this year of course we don't yet appear to have the same confidence.

In respect of missed tackles I know Delaney's is high but of course we also know he was ill, but the forward error count in ratios to tackles made (with the exception of Kevin) is poor. Need to get better!

Also, as I have said on G1's thread, Smith didn't miss any tackles but he was left have to make the decision to either stay with his winger or come in and help his centre (or player covering centre). While he may have read them poorly and should have stayed out with his winger is open to debate and opinion, but my point is, why was he always being left by the whole defensive line to make the decision time after time? Our sliding defence was poor and the missed tackles in the middle were leaving us short at the edges when it mattered IMO!

RE-Smithty the 2 Briscoe tries in the 2nd half were a case of numbers imo stay out and they'd of scored or come in and try to stop the move and they scored.
I do think it was a whole "right side" defensive issue but i'm sure they'll improve.

Im suprised O'Meley managed to get mpc of 7.00 tbh. But Kylie's mpc of 8.57 reflects his dominance when he was on the field imo.

MPC must be the most meaningless statistic. Bailey completely dominated O'meley, with help from Kylie. Anyone watching the game didn't need a stats sheet to see that.

I thought Bailey was poor Gareth. Not just in attack but defence also. I don't know what you and the other posters currying flavour are seeing.

You know I have defended him previously, and I think up to the Catalans game he was our most consistent forward.

But the last two games he's been nothing. His play with ball in hand is pish poor, but that I can live with due to his defensive game that he brings to the team. The last two games though he's shown non of that defence. Against Hull he was poor IMO.

Especially against Hull you could hear many fans getting on Bailey's back because of the play with ball in hand. His pathetic attempt on the Hull try line midway in the second half was most highlighting to me. 2 yards out running at pace and still he got put down further back than he got the ball. I was looking right down on that spot, and I would bet my mortgage that Kylie, Peacock, or Burgess (had he kept hold of the ball) would have gone straight over that try line.

Bailey was far from dominating O'Meley, who had a very good game IMO.

It was Kylie that dominated O'Meley. Bailey had a good game and fronted up well. Same old Bailey with ball in hand. He has never been someone how will charge over the line, you just get solid graft with him nothing more, nothing lessand I dont see why expectations should of changed on Sunday.

O'Meley looked average. Kylie knocked 7 bells out of him and was O'Meley interested in giving some back? Was he fook. So much for the big hard man that was 'going to go looking for the Leeds forwards'.

I love you Gotcha.

Leuluai must have really been dominant - less carries, less tackles and a lower success rate than a weak-kneed softcock appearing off the bench...

Did you see the game?

Judging by the stats Sam Moa was close to being Hull's best prop on the day. Good metres, no missed tackles, errors or penalties. It's a shame that game minutes are not reported.

Kyle L had a great game but so did O'meley. Bailey was/is e.

But while he was on he was effective which is what I said elsewhere only to be poo poohed.
I rest my case.

is he in the side to defend, i'd be looking more at the 2nd rowers not helping out

No, but however good he is with ball in hand if he can't defend he can't play.

That said, I was unduly harsh on him as I have reflected elsewhere.

I still think he will see an awful lot of traffic this season based upon his misses in the previous two games and the way our whole right edge played Sunday so he'll get plenty of practice.

Spot on.

I thought all the props as a whole just squeezed them out of the game.

They fronted up early doors and kept them in check.

I joked to the guys who I watched the game with that the 'stats' won't shower the forwards in glory but watching the game in context they more than did enough.

Least we watch the game the right way round. Going to the games helps as well!