Were not going to run out of porn are we?

It is an inprovement but he still missed one that led to a try


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Yes in the future when you click on a dubious link, you'll be transported to a website with in depth analysis of Ryan Bailey's performance stats.

If you look at the other user profiles don't expect to see Jenna jameson if you click on Bluey.

Alternatively McBanana won't take you to a well hung scottish guy but you won't understand it at all.

Not missed as such, just didn't react quickly enough to get to the ball, though the turning defender is always going to be 2nd favourite in a race to get a ball kicked behind him

I bet he wouldn't have evaded Hock.

Oh I know. And believe me, I lost my rag at that one. Not very complimentary of Mr Burgess. I thought the coach should have dragged him off for that, just stood around. Although I doubt that is the miss tackle that he is credited with, because he actually never attempted to tackle.

But that aside, because of how I felt to Mr Burgess, those stats suprise me, and I still praise his work rate there.

Yes, that's the job that Peacock normally performs (as I've commented on in the past) so what's good for the goose etc.

His go forward has always been good, his ball retention is getting better, but his movement in defence still needs work, if he wants to have a go at it in the nrl he needs to work on it a lot.

lol

no he doesn't

i was just pointing out in a polite way that using raw stats to credit kylie and smith was flawed

if you saw the game/or the highlights/or read a report you would know about smiths long range try, factot that out and he made 66 mts from 15 carries

not stand out go forward in any way ... just in case we get any more knee jerking around here as to what a tragic loss to the game he will be!

Glad you saw the funny side. Its just that the "Great analysis... ...except" part looked like a criticism of the initial post. I think TVOC does a great job every week in bringing together data, which is elsewhere in the public domain , onto these boards for debate that the rest of us are too lazy to get ourselves.

I presume I can take it that your argument was with the content of the stats and reasons for them to be skewed rather than TVOC's level of analysis.

Ali's tackling stats are surprising considering his lazy Samoan roots.

You might want to put a waterproof cover on that bonfire...

He made less tackles than any of the other forwards in the 17 with the exception of young Manning. Yes, he completed all the ones he attempted, but hardly cause to proclaim him as one of the hardest workers on the night.

I found it surprising that we had to do nearly 15% more tackles than KR.
Possibly the pressure we had to deal with in the 1st half.
One stat I would be interested in is the no. of sets of six with the completion rate but that is never available.
Good to see so many players with 100% completion rates.

Incorrect on many levels.

He made as many tackles as Kylie without missing any.

Where have I proclaimed Ali as one of the hardest workers???







A career in journalsim could be on the cards with that kind of reading into what someone quips!

I hope your column will be as enlightening as Schoies in Star, those sort of heights aren't un-reachable you know.

On on a side, Ali made no miss tackles, took the ball up plenty and made good metres. Would you be foolish enough to state that he didn't work hard on Friday???

That surprised me as well. I could only put it down to more players involved in the tackle given that the carries by each team were comparable and Leeds conceded fewer penalties and errors.

Your comment was that his tackling stats were surprising given his reputation for being lazy.

In isolation (which is how you brought them into the debate), they're not surprising at all - he attempted the least number of tackles of any forward bar a kid making his debut who had limited game time.

If you want to bring his general overall work rate into the equation by including his efforts with ball in hand that's fine, but it doesn't alter the facts as they relate to his defensive efforts.

Both barrells for Kylie then?

Work shy lump.

33% more carries and two more attempted tackles than Lauitiiti would suggest otherwise, based on this game alone.

If a player holds his position in the defensive line then he cannot decide how many tackles he makes, all he can do is tackle anyone who runs into his space (tackle from marker exempt).

Or boost his tackle count by being second/third man in when the tackle is pretty much complete (see your avatar)?

Sometimes sunshine quality is better than quantity.

Look at what Ali did with less carries!

Plenty more metres and got past the advantage line on average.

So should we question the impact that Kylie has with ball in hand?

Better late than never

Ah, the Roy Dickinson defence..

"I got there as soon as I could Sir"

nowt to do with the initial post

the analysis of smith was yours

Ah I see what you're getting at now.

Didn't realise because you'd mentioned Kylie as well