Quote ="Man of steel 07"Danny McGuire also played a international match for the northern union in which he scored 2 tries. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/oc ... ague.sport'" Quote ="tvoc" Thanks for that. I'll pass the information back up the chain for clarification. (Tricky things official statistics, knowing what counts and what doesn't and not something I would know enough about to comment on. Possibly explains why I concentrate on Leeds 1st grade)'" With many thanks again to =#0000BFA-Fire-Inside clarification has now been provided: The RFL stance on the Northern Union V All Golds fixture was that it doesn't count towards players' totals. The main reason being that tries were only awarded 3 points so it isn't regarded as a 'full' international. __________ I said I'd provide a Kevin Sinfield Leeds All-Time record points chase update after each game so I guess here it is: After Round 2's conversion Sinfield is now on 2,865 (55 to tie 2,920 - 56 to claim the record outright)

Quote ="Man of steel 07"Danny McGuire also played a international match for the northern union in which he scored 2 tries. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/oc ... ague.sport'" Quote ="tvoc" Thanks for that. I'll pass the information back up the chain for clarification. (Tricky things official statistics, knowing what counts and what doesn't and not something I would know enough about to comment on. Possibly explains why I concentrate on Leeds 1st grade)'" With many thanks again to =#0000BFA-Fire-Inside clarification has now been provided: The RFL stance on the Northern Union V All Golds fixture was that it doesn't count towards players' totals. The main reason being that tries were only awarded 3 points so it isn't regarded as a 'full' international. __________ I said I'd provide a Kevin Sinfield Leeds All-Time record points chase update after each game so I guess here it is: After Round 2's conversion Sinfield is now on 2,865 (55 to tie 2,920 - 56 to claim the record outright)

What was Sinfield's conversion per game average for last year so we can best guess when he'll reach this target?

TIA

I had a look at that on page 66: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341569&start=657 We were potentially looking at his 8th appearance of this season on the basis of last season's averages. After Saturday's comparative anomoly it could now be looking tight for the 8th and may extend into a 9th appearance. Only time will tell.

I had a look at that on page 66: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341569&start=657 We were potentially looking at his 8th appearance of this season on the basis of last season's averages. After Saturday's comparative anomoly it could now be looking tight for the 8th and may extend into a 9th appearance. Only time will tell.

Quote ="tvoc"I had a look at that on page 66: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341569&start=657 We were potentially looking at his 8th appearance of this season on the basis of last season's averages. After Saturday's comparative anomoly it could now be looking tight for the 8th and may extend into a 9th appearance. Only time will tell.'" Cheers bud.

Quote ="tvoc"I had a look at that on page 66: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=341569&start=657 We were potentially looking at his 8th appearance of this season on the basis of last season's averages. After Saturday's comparative anomoly it could now be looking tight for the 8th and may extend into a 9th appearance. Only time will tell.'" Cheers bud.

Sir Kev has now captained Leeds to ten trophies. 5 titles, 3 World Club and two League Leaders Shields.

Has any other Club Captain done so well?

How many capt's did wigan have in that period when they won all thoss CCs and championship's ?they may have had mor than two

After the WCC game V Manly - Sinfield is now on 2,871 (49 to tie 2,920 - 50 to claim the record outright)

It's been a fairly quiet start on the points accumulation front so far in 2012 only averaging 6 against an overall average in 2011 of just over 9. Hopefully Sunday will be an opportunity to up the ratio a bit.

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Kevin Sinfield's next SL Regular Round Start will be his 300th for the club becoming the first Leeds player to do so in the process. Only one other Leeds player has passed 200 in their Headingley career and that was Keith Senior who finished on 295.

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Danny McGuire now has the opportunity to claim 5th spot on the Leeds SL Reg Rd Appearance ladder all for himself. He currently stands tied with Francis Cummins and Jamie Jones-Buchanan on 217.

1 - Kevin Sinfield 323
2 - Keith Senior 297
3 - Rob Burrow 266
4 - Barrie McDermott 219
=5 - Francis Cummins 217
=5 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan 217
=5 - Danny McGuire 217

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Kevin Sinfield's final conversion against Manly brought up Leeds' 3,000 point scored in all cup encounters of the SL Era coming from 105 games in total.

Challenge Cup - 2,022
SL Play Offs - 744
World Club - 170
Premiership - 64

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Rob Burrow made his Leeds Cup starting forward debut V Manly in his 65th cup outing.

As interesting and informative as ever TVOC.

PS. That was intended as a compliment!!!

38 points for Sinfield then 5 games may do it,either way it should be achieved before Easter so I will miss it .If its at HQ it will be a traditional Headingley standing ovation.

tvoc - assuming you have them to hand, could you put up Sinfield's points record for each season? Interested to see how he's progressed.

Kevin Sinfield's Leeds 1st Grade career: All Comps

.......Starts ..Sub ..Tries .Goals .D Goals .Points
1997 ….… 0 ….… 2 ….… 0 ….… 0 ….. 0 ….… 0
1998 ….… 0 ….… 2 ….. 1 …..… 0 …. 0 ...… 4
1999 …… 9 …… 12 ….… 2 …… 12 …… 0 …… 32
2000 …… 19 …… 7 ….… 7 …..… 0 …… 0 …… 28
2001 …… 32 …… 1 …… 10 …… 29 …… 1 ….… 99
2002 …… 30 …… 2 …… 8 ….… 32 …… 0 ….… 96
2003 …… 34 …… 1 …… 6 …… 122 …… 5 …… 273
2004 …… 31 …… 0 …… 4 …… 152 …… 3 …… 323
2005 …… 31 …… 0 …… 6 …… 149 …… 2 …… 324
2006 …… 26 …… 0 …… 3 …… 105 …… 1 …… 223
2007 …… 32 …… 0 …… 6 …… 139 …… 3 …… 305
2008 …… 34 …… 0 …… 4 …… 137 …… 3 …… 293
2009 …… 29 …… 0 …… 4 …… 121 …… 3 …… 261
2010 …… 29 …… 0 …… 4 …… 121 …… 4 …… 262
2011 …… 36 …… 0 …… 2 …… 160 …… 2 …… 330
2012 ……. 4 …… 0 …… 0 ……. 15 ……. 0 …… 30

Total ... 376 .. 27 ... 67 ... 1294 ... 27 .. 2883

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After the Round 4 game V Widnes - Sinfield is now on 2,883 (37 to tie 2,920 - 38 to claim the record outright)

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The Widnes game was Carl Ablett's 100th Start for the club, becoming the 25th player to do so with Leeds during the SL Era.

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Ryan Hall's next SL Regular Round Start will mark his 100th in that category and he'll become the 20th Leeds player to do so.

After the Round 5 game V Castleford - Sinfield is now on 2,895 (25 to tie 2,920 - 26 to claim the record outright)

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Sinfield's 6th and final goal at Castleford was his 1,300th for Leeds at 1st grade level in all comps.
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Kallum Watkins' try at Castleford was his 25th for Leeds at 1st grade level and consequently brought up his personal century of points. He becomes the 34th Leeds player to do so since the start of the SL Era.

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Pretty quiet on the forthcoming milestones this week so I'll just mention Danny McGuire poised to stand alone in 4th on the Leeds SL Regular Round Appearance ladder after recently being tied with Francis Cummins and Jamie Jones-Buchanan he's now set to go ahead of Barrie McDermott also.

1 - Kevin Sinfield 325
2 - Keith Senior 297
3 - Rob Burrow 268
=4 - Barrie McDermott 219
=4 - Danny McGuire 219
=6 - Francis Cummins 217
=6 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan 217

just to be pedantic and to show that tvoc doesnt always get his numbers right but cummins and jjb are tied 6th not 5th. sorry but im in that kind of mood.

That's OK. You're not wrong.

Isn't that what stat gathering is anyway. Pedantic to the point of being silly?

Liam Hood has had to wait until being 20 to make his Leeds 1st grade debut.

Leeds' other Academy products to debut at 20 were: (in order of debut)

Paul Gleadhill, Lee Maher, Dave Wrench, Jonny Hepworth, Michael Haley, Dane Manning and Tom Bush.

All Leeds grates.

Is that list comprehensive or merely selective?
If the former it would be worth analysing similar data for other teams to what extent overseas or big name signings impact upon the careers of academy-trained players.

I'd look into it further but I'm extremely busy this afternoon.

Well that's thrown a spanner in the works. My family commitments now restrict my away travel so at the start of the season I did a bit of maths and worked out that saints away was the realistic chance for Kev to break the points record.

That trip has been booked ages but now I feel 16 points is an outside possibility at Salford and I need to go! I haven't spent the last 15 years watching him play to miss this historic moment!!!

2 trips over the Pennines in just over a week-the wife might not be too happy!

I would have liked it to be broken at home ,but it looks like saints away

16 points to go.

Salford or Saints. Surely one or the other..

If possible ask her to go with you & take a friend then drop her off at the Trafford Centre.

I too hope its NOT at Salford that Kev breaks the record as I too will be unable to attend,like many who have been there watching him from day 1 its an ocassion to want to share.Though I have a feeling he won't make a big deal of it,certainly on the pitch.Not that breaking it against Saints who have an extra edge to it of course

Although it looks hand-picked in nature to highlight the plight of being Academy produced and twenty when making your 1st grade debut it's actually a complete list of those who have done so at Leeds during the SL Era - according to my records. I accept I should have pointed out 'SL Era' in the original post.

There were some others who I could have included as Academy produced and twenty on Leeds SL Era debut but as they had already made their debut prior to this universal full-time summer era and possibly when they were still in their teens I decided against adding the likes of Paddy Handley and Anthony/David Gibbons. The standard wouldn't have risen much if I had.

Good luck to Liam Hood in his quest to break the sequence.

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After the Round 6 game V Warrington - Sinfield is now on 2,905 (15 to tie 2,920 - 16 to claim the record outright)

Later in the week I hope to post a breakdown of Sinfield's points accumulated by opponent - once I figure out if there is an easy way for me to do it.

Rob Burrow's next Start will be his 200th in the SL Reg Rds becoming the 4th Leeds player to do so:

1 - Kevin Sinfield 302
2 - Keith Senior 295
3 - Francis Cummins 204
4 - Rob Burrow 199

Kylie Leuluai's next Start will be his 100th in the SL Reg Rds becoming the 21st Leeds player to do so:

5 - Danny McGuire 185
6 - Matt Diskin 177
7 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan 163
8 - Barrie McDermott 154
=9 - Ryan Bailey 133
=9 - Chev Walker 133
11 - Jamie Peacock 126
12 - Scott Donald 119
=13 - Ryan Sheridan 113
=13 - Brent Webb 113
15 - Lee Smith 110
16 - Mark Calderwood 109
17 - Andy Hay 107
18 - Iestyn Harris 103
19 - Ryan Hall 101
20 - Gareth Ellis 100
21 - Kylie Leuluai 99

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Bearing in mind that:




Since Kevin Sinfield took over the primary place-kicking duties in 2003 he has averaged 9.58 points per appearance V Salford and 7.33 points per appearance V St Helens.

I was fortunate enough to see the last 6 years of the great Lewis Jones including his final points in 1964 which set the record that has lasted so long. It would be nice to see Kevin set the new record which will not be a few years yet hopefully.