The players won the treble last season, it is a team game. Important players no longer here.

"Dear Leeds Rhinos, whatever you were paying me the last 12 years it obviously wasn't enough"

K. Sinfield.

Not like we knew it was coming



It does appear Sinfield and Peacock were the real coaches/motivators !!!

What puzzles me about Sutcliffe is that he did look like the 'real deal' before his injury. His performance at Saints' ground last season was imperious. Now....

Could be worse....we could be Saints or Giants supporters. What a hopeless SL this season. Pish poor standards

yes we massively lack a creative spark it doesn't take a genius to work that out.we are missing both our halves from last year bound to have an effect.One returns shortly im sure we will see improvement.Im not excusing the direness of the last 2 games by the way, absolutely shocking.

No sorry, but Sutcliffe has never looked the real deal. He had the one good game, which just about every player in rugby league has at least once in their career. Can anyone truthfully say that Sutcliffe has shown anything to suggest he is better than Gaskell was in his first full year at Saints? Then look what happened there, Saints used their head and could see the shortages to his game.

Is he such a bad coach that he was able to win so much because he inherited a great team?
Current results, total lack of structure in defence and attack, absolutely no intensity either side of the ball and no leaders seem to all point in the direction that the coaching is lacking.
It has been a long time since I've seen us (and super league in general) as poor as this.
What is going on behind closed doors at HQ?

Last season is over. McDermott is being found out because Sinfield and Peacock are no longer running the show:
No leaders
No stand off
No clue.

Your head is in the clouds, son. Not the real world

Who cares about the last two games? Who cares about winning trophies? This is the difference between people defending at any cost. Trophies and wins are not behall and end all. Performances and showing some ability are. We don't have that, we are backing wrong players, and the coaches tactics are worse than a junior leagues coach. That is the bottom line been complained about. Our performances all season thus far are unacceptable, not just two games.

Some spoilt children on here used to having things all their own way and only following Leeds through the glory years. FTW youll be up there again, whether its this season or next.

Gonna agree with gotcha regarding sutcliffe don't think he has ever been the real deal. And really struggling to see a spot for him in the team going forward. Simply not good enough.

Not 'spoilt' ...Many expected and were willing to accept a transitional period. Trophies not expected (at least not until and especially when we could see how pish poor the overall standards in SL are this season).

It's the sharp angled decline that is alarming. Rudderless, clueless and devoid of any ideas/structure/bite in defence.

On present performances can't disagree.....but I remember deliberations about how was the better future SO: Sutcliffe or Williams. Sucliffe was playing well up until his injury.

Well if super league is so pish poor now what does that make leeds? You're right about standards though but last season was just as bad made clear by an average leeds side doing the treble and hardaker being the ruddy man of steel

Your the biggest joke oh and where 9th so there teams worse than is



Think leeds fans need to see you dont have the divine right to win everything and everyone how anyone would want rid of a coach who did treble last season ya deluded

I do not think Mac has become a bad coach overnight, however whatever he's doing clearly isn't working. (Players take some responsibility for that too).

I do think coaches only have a certain lifespan where they are effective before they need replacing with a new voice and fresh ideas otherwise a team can plateau.

I think we saw this happen with Bluey, a couple of good years, then we limped through a season and he was quickly replaced with Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened here.

Losing at home to the biggest joke in Super League.'"

ye who laughs last,laughs longest

That's it, you go on and show a bit of class in defeat...

First of all, your spelling and grammar is appalling, secondly what is becoming ever more apparent is that our ‘coach’ may not have had as much influence over his charges as your ‘traditional’ coach usually does.

We have gone from being a Triple winning team to a side that can’t even master the basics of Rugby League in a matter of a few months. The difference being the loss of a couple of key players. NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED!!

What we need is a coach that can actually coach and not a man that turns up to do the post match interviews and give the occasional inspirational speech to his players.

Just can't reach my Wakey top in the wardrobe. Can Mcdermot lend me his bottom lip to stand on.

Thank god. I thought only I believed sutty was over rated. I don't want to overly bash a young kid who I'm sure is trying his best but he is so far out of his depth is silly.

Is McD to blame, yes in some ways as he keeps picking him but what are his other options right now? Sacking McD will not alter our situation at all.

You know when the Rhinos have reached rock bottom when the Wakey fans are taking the P155

God help you if you draw the Bulls in the CC

Has he ever been that good a coach? his finishes are 5th 5th 3rd 6th 1st and it looks like we will be out the top 4 again, we always have a period like this in a season and it is usually up to the players to turn around our form mid game, he always has a problem turning around our form.

Bluey getting sacked for me was an over reaction and he was probably the coach that I enjoyed watching us play under most (maybe the first 2 years of TS), we played good rugby and were consistant, being as good in regular season games as playoffs. 2010 we were trying a new system of playing right at the line and the players imo didnt get long enough to get used to it, when we played a more direct game at the end of the year we probably would have won the GF if Mcguire hadnt gotten injured.

Problem is he would've gotten slagged off if he didn't give "first dibs" to Sutcliffe anyway because too many are obsessed with having academy lads play. Recall many who wanted us to go with Sutcliffe over signing Widdop around 12 months ago.

I'm another who has never got the deal about Sutcliffe and he shouldn't be playing loose either as that should be a big forward.

Is it that he is out of his depth or is it the attacking shape?
Leeds' 2 most talented halves of the last 30 years in Mcguire and Schofield both rate him very highly and tip him for internationals down the line, surely they would know having played the position?