It also doesn't show some of the other aspects of the game which are important. i.e. time ont he pitch, what role you are on the pitch, whether you actually played prop. You do realize that Bailey has played in the second row at times this year rather than prop? If you dont then your response is irrelevant, just like the stats you quote.

Metres made, number of carries and tackles made largely depend on the amount of time spent on the field. Without factoring that in, these stats are largely meaningless. Even metres per carry will be affected, as a prop who plays 40 mins per game would, in most cases, make more metres per carry than one who played the full 80 say.

Maybe I should try it? Just to see how long it takes

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Ryan's disciplinary record in games for Leeds is one of the most lenient of the squad.

As others have quite rightly posted, Peacock is allowed to start fights, throw punches and get sin binned, yet Bailey's legal tackle is condemned by tt Scouse Knownowts and other fans of the lesser teams in SL.

Scouse fans really haven't got over last years 'Back to back' Grand Final loss have they. Seems I will have to leave my avatar a little longer...

Fa'asavalu is a luxury 4th prop, that different kind of player that is there to add impact when coming off the bench. I'm always reluctant to directly compare the likes of him and Paleasina to solid starting props.

I would suggest that Cayless is a much better prop who has struggled with injury pretty much the entire of 2008. In his early seasons with us he was really outstanding.

Bailey is a thug and should be banned.
There will always be a place for Bailey in St. Helens.
The local abotoir springs to mind.

For what? All I saw him do was pi$$ off a Ginger chancer. He should be given a medal not banned

Which is why we should always take them with a pinch of salt.
I would, however, tend to assume that the number of carries is directly proportional to the time spent on the pitch.
Given that Bailey's [inumber of carries [/iis quite low, I would suggest he isn't on the pitch as long as some of his peers. Which means that his reletively low [imetre per carry [/iis, for me, dissapointing.
It does mean, however, that he's appears a pretty busy tackler when he's on the pitch.

Isn't that more suited to infected cattle, riddled with BSE and frothing at the mouth? Do you pay James Graham a visit often?

The reaction from the Saints fans has been hillarious, It's worth having bailey in the team for that alone

Fortunately he adds alot more to the team than that. The fact the stains fans can't see that is just icing on the cake

As has:
The Leeds fans reaction to the defeat,
The hyperbole surrounding a mediocre performance from Bailey (as his own coach even reffered too),
The childish insults thrown at other players.

Two carries in his last spell (approximately 22 minutes) on Friday suggests he was bricking it IMO.

Another racist from St Helens visits our boards.

Welcome racist.

What reactiom?

Thoroughly beaten by the better team. If you've read anything different a link would be appreciated.

Ditto!!

You should add from a fan not considered a t

You can start with the pages of crass tributes to Ryan Bailey's performance of Friday night. I don't really believe 9 drives for an inconsequential amount of yards to be much of a performance - particularly as one of his opposing props was young Matty Ashurst.

Sure he made a big tackle - whoopy do. He also spent time getting driven back to where he came from in the subsequent sets.

The argument of Bailey's discipline was proved errant by the fact that Wigan fans used to argue the same thing with Terry Newton. The disciplinary committee is a joke shop - inconsistent. It worked in our favour for once, because there was a very strong argument Gilmour should have been banned for striking.

What about KC's head slam on burgess???
Or the numerous late hit's that hooper got away with???
How many times has pryce got away cheap shot's???
Stone's and glass house's come's to mind!!

Just glasses in Pryce's case.

What on earth has Terry Newton, or Wigan fans' views on his discipline, got to do with Bailey?

Care to back your claim up in court?

Who rattled your cage?

Didn't saints get penalised?
Blown way out of proportion.
He never gets away with anything. He got a three match ban for caressing an old friend once.