Yeah, Roy's fantastic company ...

Apart from setting up the greatest try ever seen at Wembley?

Indeed.

Does it relate to the gesture or also his petulent actions towards match officials simply doing their job ?

Would he have been fined / censured for the same incident, had it not been broadcast on national TV ?

Carried away much?

Greatest seen at the new Wembley maybe. Maybe.

I'd rate Offiah's as better myself but yes, he did set up a great try. Beyond that he was a lot less effective than I'd feared he might be. So I stand by my comment that I hope he plays a lot better against the aussies because that level of contribution is not going to be enough against a much stronger side.

Exactly where did I say that players should be treated differently?

You're being obtuse, clearly. Either that or you are thick.

I said the context warranted tougher action, not the player. It wouldn't have mattered who had flipped the vs on Saturday, I would be expressing the same view.

Sam Tomkins fine has been donated to the R.S.P.C.A. for all the cats and dogs that were kicked around Warrington and St. Helens by their bitter fans on Saturday afternoon.

I got my e-mail off to the RFL compliance manager this morning. I pointed out to him that the "Respect" campaign must work both ways, if fans are being banned and their clubs being fined for obscene gestures/chanting then the same must apply to errant players. A ban for Tomkins and a fine for Wigan for failure to control their players.

There's nothing really that funny in highlighting a player's inability to grasp the scoring system in RL. Who cares if he's Carol Vorderman as long as he helps England stuff the Aussies.

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I recall Keith Senior attracting a RFL ban based on his 'high profile' within the game. I disagreed with that decision (on that basis) then and I'd disagree with a ban for Tomkins now.

Well done you.

Well seeing you said this:

in the context of whether a ban should be given, you are obviously saying certain players should be treated differently for disciplinary reasons. Seeing you can't even remember what you wrote, I wouldn't start accusing other people of being thick.

I think he was just telling people we were going to add the two as well (which we didn't).



Re Senior was it the WCC game run-in with Silverwood?

You know I rely on you to fill out the details of my vague disciplinary recollections but yes it probably was.

Like the name-change btw, it's as if you view Leeds as a bigger club than Wigan these days? Respect.

Can't understand your reasonings behind that tvoc, if you would care to explain further?

Personally I don't see the point in a so called respect campaign been in place if the game does not stick to it. The whole idea is that everbody agrees to it, from clubs, fans, players, officials, etc.

If somebody acts out of those lines then they are dealt with as leeds owl posted.

I could get into the nitty gritty how expressing a view on a ref after a game is not as bad as provoking highly charged supporters, but that would be irrelevant. The fact is that if you are going against what the respect campaign lays down then it should be dealt with accordingley.

My reasoning is that I don't believe a player's individual profile in the game should play any part in a disciplinary ruling that follows any incident. The disciplinary panel said it did in Senior's case (precedent set?) so will they do the same in Tomkins case given he's currently the highest profile player in SL?

I don't think it should.

To clarify, the comment is not in relation to any part of the Respect campaign, just as to whether a player's profile plays a part in punishment.

That's fair enough. So you wasn't saying Tomkins should not be banned? you were just saying it does not matter what offence it should be the same for all.

Personally I would agree, although I would say live on national tv is about as worse on the scale as you could go.

Being.

Weren't.

Accordingly.

The dogs around Warrington should just be glad they're only getting kicked.

I only hope you're right

I wonder if that was what Tomkins used in his defence at the RFL today?

He wasn't at the RFL today so I doubt it.

Poor effort.

You have done the game a service in highlighting the need for the RFL to take action against Leeds and other clubs in relation to the abuse suffered by Sam Tomkins.

Well done! Let's hope the authorities take some action.