You're the man that still champions the has been, Diskin. There lies your level of credibility.

Burrow has been poor this season. He was begining to justify his selection when McD dropped him to the bench in his infinite wisdom.

And you want to pick our best winger in the centres when he's never played there and play 1-5 with virtually no experience. People in glass houses and all that?

I'm also not sure how we won the 2009 GF with such a dreadful halfback. Some think he was gone by 2008. Wow. I bet every other team is glad they haven;t had Burrow over the last ten years.

Ouch !

Didn't Cudjoe start as a winger ? Where does he play now ?

Let's bring back Alan Smith, Dyl and Atkinson in the threequarters ( get some real " experience " in there ).

Ten years ago my back was perfect, but it's not quite so good now: funny that.

This is all subjective and opinion, nothing to back this up with reality.

Burrow hasn't even been average THIS season, he's been closer to 5h1te. An issue that even the powers that be at Headingley are realising.

Last season he was average, but miles better than this year.

As for the quins home game last year, you use something that was shown up as a bag of b0llo0cks at the time, even implied by tvoc at the time. Some of the tries given as assists to Burrow then were not even assists, and of the others, you or I could have provided the same service.

Burrow may well from time to time come up with something that reminds us just how damn good he was. But that play is no where near consistent enough, or enough to warrant a permant fixture in the side. He is better than a lot in the competition which is why we get by, but there is far far better out there globally and in this country.

In what way are the "powers that be" realising this Gotcha?

I can always see the benefit of new blood. The thing is this though; in my opinion (and that's all any of this is) Burrow is still A LOT better than some on here are opining (their opinion vs mine, fair enough, we shall agree to differ) and if he were to leave, I would want to be sure that we were getting something better in his stead.

Right now, without resorting to the NRL, which I haven't watched in years so I would struggle to name a starting 7 over there, there are only 3 who I would consider (Brough, Leuluai and Dobson) and two of those are overseas players and one of them I think looks better at 9 anyway. So I'm not convinced I'd be in a hurry to get rid of a player who is still one of the best in this country, even if he is no longer at his peak. He still has the ability to make something happen out of nothing. Players like that are rare.

I certainly wouldn't be too keen on seeing him line up against us in a half decent team next year.

I think that's a fair enough post, I would agree and I would guess Harrigan would.

The bit you are missing big style though is that we already have a player who could play scrum half who is probably better than Burrow for 2011 and beyond, he's playing in the number 6 jersey, and should that change happen you then open up a lot more potential possibilities of what could happen there.

As far as I understand, while two of those are clearly from overseas, only one counts on the quota.

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While I appreciate G1 is talking about a perception of Rob Burrow from a game during 2010 where the stats went on to show he contributed 4 Opta 'try assists' (in Kevin Sinfield's absence) I'm not sure I'd be drawing too much attention to that particular stat this season. [size=85(And just for the record Sinfield now shares the top mark with Burrow after receiving 4 from Opta in the Round 5 defeat of Salford.)[/size

Before Sunday Burrow had one to his credit (the suspiciously forward looking short pass to Carl Ablett V the Crusaders in Round 12, IIRC)

As Gotcha indicated on the previous page I'm no fan of Opta's defininition of what constitutes a 'try assist' let alone their ability to apply the criteria consistently, although they've improved this season. For example Kris Welham got an assist on Sunday for doing nothing more than Danny Buderus had done V Wigan for his try in the 22 All draw in Round 8. The former got the assist the latter didn't.

Indeed people with agenda's. Like yours with buderus

I think he has played well this year but has also gone missing and for me last year wasn't his best

Aside from him winning more man of the match awards than any of our other players this year.

And what is my agenda with Buderus?

We've all read your bizarre proposed team selections. Guffaw.

Surely Burrow - or any half back - can only look consistently good if the pack is going forward. Leeds' pack has been poor most of this season.

Andy Gregory was the only British scrum half I've seen who could consistently make things happen even behind a beaten pack.

Your agenda with Buderus is well know to all on here (who can read).

You shamefully point out that whilst Buderus has been a legendary player during his career, this has been acheived whilst playing in the NRL, and not whilst playing with Leeds. You have been eager to identify that Matt Diskin has had much greater success with the club than the legendary Buderus, even going as far as to point out his Harry Sunderland award for GF MOM, despicable behaviour.

The way you have consistently insisted that you are only comparing their achievements with Leeds and nothing prior to that, has massively disadvantaged the legendary Buderus, because you are a myopic, one club supporter.

I think that just about sums it up, don't you?

A load of rubbish as I have constantly posted. Get in the modern game, this is not the seventies.




No they haven't. Our props have been =#FF0000outstanding. Our CEO and coach have just stated this.

Nearly. I also have an issue with the adulation (un-earned) bestowed upon him by our fans compared with the lack thereof bestwoed upon the club's most succesful ever hooker.

Would this be a similar disparity to the adulation being bestowed on fringe first-teamer Luke Burgess when compared to three-time Grand Final winning utility forward Ian Kirke, for example?

I have no agenda. In the games where Burrow has been MoM I have come away thinking who the hell picks that. When he learns how to pass more than 5 yards accurately and doesnt blow overlap after overlap I will change my mind. Until then, I'm sticking.

No. Burgess only begain to receive such adulation when he announced he was off. It's a Rhinos fekk, sorry fan, trait.

I wonder how m,any 1st team appearances Gareth Moore need to make for Wakey before some poster starts telling us we should have released Burrow and McGuire to keep him.

Dunno, how many times have the English versions of Greg Inglis and Jarryd Hayne played for Salford this year?

OK, so if McGuire were to play 7 next year (and it's no disrespect to Rob Burrow that I personally think McGuire is the better player of the two) then all you've really done is shift the problem of finding a better 7 than Burrow, to the slightly more complex problem of finding a 6 who is a better 6 than Burrow is a 7. If you see what I mean. Unless you see Sinfield as a full-time 6 (which I don't, I'm happy enough with him as a 13) you still need to find another half-back from somewhere to improve the current situation.

Mayhap. But if we're talking about my own personal preferences, I'd rather see home-grown players given the nod unless there is something significantly better available from overseas.

Our lack of success against the antipodeans at test level, while a many-faceted problem, won't be improved much if we can't get our best halves playing at our top domestic level.

Plus, part of the satisfaction I got from watching the 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009 championship winning sides was derived from the number of academy products in key positions in those sides. While I would still have cheered a more antipodean-led team winning the title, it wouldn't have been as good.

Ashley Gibson is nothing like Greg Inglis and Jodie Broughton is nothing like Jarryd Hayne but there again he didn't really need to be as an alternative to Scott Donald in 2010 at Leeds.

The Opta thread for the Crusaders game will be along just as soon as the SL website post the updated figures for the weekend. www.engagesuperleague.co.uk/stat ... eason=2011 It's not looking like it'll be anytime today now. I'll try again tommorrow.

The Opta thread for the Crusaders game will be along just as soon as the SL website post the updated figures for the weekend. www.engagesuperleague.co.uk/stat ... eason=2011 It's not looking like it'll be anytime today now. I'll try again tommorrow.