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| I'm not having a go. In some ways its refreshing to hear him talk that way instead of the usual 'challenge' and 'life experience' cobblers most overseas players spout.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Yep, thought so, you are talking rubbish. If you would like to please point out to me where the RFL Operational Rules for 2009 it talks about player eligibility for the league please feel free to point these out to me. Of course for the CC it is rules B4:7 to B4:10, so don't look that far down.
Anywhere?'"
So you're saying there isn't an RFL deadline on registering players to play in the SL competition?
Surprised at that one.
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| Me too. I thought that after the Andrew Johns and then Adrian Morley farces that they had moved to stop sides signing someone up just for the playoffs?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Me too. I thought that after the Andrew Johns and then Adrian Morley farces that they had moved to stop sides signing someone up just for the playoffs?'"
But its not just for the play offs.
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| Would explain why we've never replaced him (for this season) if there is a chance he could join immediately. Would give us a massive boost going in to the play offs.
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod"Peacock is on the slide'"
Nonsense. He's made the second most metres in SL of any player (3135) and has a slightly higher metre per carry stat (7.24 as opposed to 7.20) than the leader, James Graham (4049).
Morley has made fewer metres (2673) but has a higher metre per carry rate (8.12).
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod" if you straw poled NRL coaches the vast majority would take Eastwood.
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Would you mind carrying out that poll for me, I'm a little busy to nip to Aus today and I don't have their phone numbers? I wouldn't ask normally, but it's just that if that poll doesn't take place there will be a few people, cynics and sceptics mostly, who will claim that you've just made that up based on nothing whatsoever.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Would you mind carrying out that poll for me, I'm a little busy to nip to Aus today and I don't have their phone numbers? I wouldn't ask normally, but it's just that if that poll doesn't take place there will be a few people, cynics and sceptics mostly, who will claim that you've just made that up based on nothing whatsoever.'"
well said.
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| Quote ="tvoc"So you're saying there isn't an RFL deadline on registering players to play in the SL competition?
Surprised at that one.'"
Having looked at the operation rules, it would appear not.
In the general competition rules section you have the following -
[iB1:9 No later than 31 October prior to the start of each season, each Club shall notify the
Board in writing of the names of up to 25 (30 for National League) players who shall
constitute that Club's provisional first team squad for that Season ("the Provisional First
Team Squad"icon_wink.gif . Each Club shall notify the Board immediately of any changes to this
Provisional First Team Squad. No later than 1 February prior to the commencement of
the season each Club shall notify the Board in writing of the squad (“First Team
Squad”) numbers of those 25 players who will then become the Clubs First Team Squad
and only members of that First Team Squad shall be entitled to play for that Club’s first
team in League and/or Cup matches. The Board shall ensure that its Performance
Department monitors use of players by all Clubs.
B1:10 Clubs may with the approval of the Board, to replace injured or ill players or players
transferred to other Clubs or who have ceased playing the Game, alter the constituent
members of their First Team Squad during a Season and all such changes shall be
notified in writing to, and shall be subject to the approval of, the Board. In addition Clubs
shall be able to apply for dispensation to replace a member of their First Team Squad
with a Player that the Club believes is of a higher standard than the Player he replaces.
B1:11 Clubs shall be entitled to select and play any player from their First Team Squad from
time to time for any Match.[/i
When you look at the League specific operational rules it doe not have anything in about player eligibility. However, if you look in the CC specific rules it has a whole section explaining player eligibility and the deadlines for changes to the squad. Ergo, just the above rules apply to the league (for both SL and Championship).
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| I was under the understanding that a player did have to be registered with a club at a certain point to be eligable to play for that team in that specific season. The idea was brought in to stop what happened in the past with the short term signings like morley at the Bulls.
As for eastwood i thought we held his registration anyways and registered as a Leeds player but loaned him to the Bulldogs thus meaning he can start whenever
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| Quote ="bewildered"As for eastwood i thought we held his registration anyways and registered as a Leeds player but loaned him to the Bulldogs thus meaning he can start whenever'"
Whichever way you look at it (and whether there is a deadline set by the RFL or not) the RFL have to authorise a player to enable them to take part in the comp and in Eastwood's example, I presume, that can only take place if and when he has his Visa approved.
That being the case I don't imagine that he has been successfully registered by Leeds with the RFL at any point this season so far.
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| Quote ="bewildered"I was under the understanding that a player did have to be registered with a club at a certain point to be eligable to play for that team in that specific season. The idea was brought in to stop what happened in the past with the short term signings like morley at the Bulls.As for eastwood i thought we held his registration anyways and registered as a Leeds player but loaned him to the Bulldogs thus meaning he can start whenever'"
i thought the only rule they brought in to hinder this was that a player brought in would have his wages count on the cap as if he had been there all season!! so if wire gave joey johns say 30 grand a month that would be calculated as if he had been there all season getting paid that.
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| Quote ="bewildered"I was under the understanding that a player did have to be registered with a club at a certain point to be eligable to play for that team in that specific season. The idea was brought in to stop what happened in the past with the short term signings like morley at the Bulls.
As for eastwood i thought we held his registration anyways and registered as a Leeds player but loaned him to the Bulldogs thus meaning he can start whenever'"
Not as far as I am aware and from what I can see in the operation rules for 2009 there is only a restriction on player eligibility in the specific CC rules. The league specific rule are silent on player elgibility so the general competition rules apply and the information on first team and full squads is above. As you can see you can transfer a player in and out of your squad at anytime if approved by the board.
I am happy (well sort of ) to be proved wrong if anyone else can show me different?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Would you mind carrying out that poll for me, I'm a little busy to nip to Aus today and I don't have their phone numbers? I wouldn't ask normally, but it's just that if that poll doesn't take place there will be a few people, cynics and sceptics mostly, who will claim that you've just made that up based on nothing whatsoever.'"
I said IF but dont let that get in the way of your attempt for cheap laughs/thrills.
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod"I said IF but dont let that get in the way of your attempt for cheap laughs/thrills.'"
If I travelled to Saturn I would find that the stars spell "Ramrod is a gimp"
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| If his appeal isn't successful whether he's registered or not/whether he'll be eligble or not will all be irrelevant.
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| Quote ="rhinoholic"If his appeal isn't successful whether he's registered or not/whether he'll be eligble or not will all be irrelevant.'"
True but if his appeal is successful but he falls out of the plane on the way over his registration is also irrelevant.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"True but if his appeal is successful but he falls out of the plane on the way over his registration is also irrelevant.'"
That's gonna have to be a hell of a hole in the plane to get his ar[is[/ie out of it...
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| He should find out if his appeal has been successful middle of August and then speculation of will he/wont he will be revealed.
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod"I said IF but dont let that get in the way of your attempt for cheap laughs/thrills.'"
Cheap thrills?
Hello, Mr Kettle, I've got a call from the Pot for you on line 2..........
Your IF rendered your whole statement pointless. I could say that IF you did a straw poll of NRL coaches they would name me the greatest player of all time. Wouldn't make it any more true than your attempt to present your own opinion/trolling as being the view of several other people who have, in fact, expressed no opinion on the matter to my/your knowledge.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Whichever way you look at it (and whether there is a deadline set by the RFL or not) the RFL have to authorise a player to enable them to take part in the comp and in Eastwood's example, I presume, that can only take place if and when he has his Visa approved.
That being the case I don't imagine that he has been successfully registered by Leeds with the RFL at any point this season so far.'"
To register a player, you have to hold a valid playing contract for them.
To sign a valid playing contract, Eastwood would need clearance to work in the UK IIRC.
No clearance, no registration. That's my understanding of it anyway.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Whichever way you look at it (and whether there is a deadline set by the RFL or not) the RFL have to authorise a player to enable them to take part in the comp and in Eastwood's example, I presume, that can only take place if and when he has his Visa approved.
That being the case I don't imagine that he has been successfully registered by Leeds with the RFL at any point this season so far.'"
Well it is even more simple than that... you can only be registered with one club that is part of the RLIF. So if he is playing with the Bulldogs as a professional player, he can only be registered to the Bulldogs and not Leeds as well! Operational rule C1:1:2.
We of course should not confuse registration with being under or subject to a valid contract.
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| B*llocks, there is a deadline! I am wrong! Sorry everyone, just found it in another section! It is in a completely different section than the CC eligibility rules which threw me and is odd, but heh ho!
Of course I will let Saddened tell you what the exact rule is, because he clearly knows the rule number and full details?
Suffice to say the deadline has indeed passed, so I am stumped how he could indeed play before the end of the season. The only way I currently think he could play is if he was indeed on loan to the Bulldogs from Leeds, however, I don't think he can register with an RFL club without having a valid work permit or clearence... so I have no idea!!!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"The only way I currently think he could play is if he was indeed on loan to the Bulldogs from Leeds, however, I don't think he can register with an RFL club without having a valid work permit or clearence... so I have no idea!!!'"
He can't -
[iIMMIGRATION STATUS
C1:4:4 The RFL will not at any time accept a registration application for an "overseas Player",
nor register the Player until it has received a copy of the Player's work permit or
satisfactory evidence that such a permit is not necessary in which case the Club must
provide a copy of the relevant immigration documentation. In cases of dispute relating
to work permits or other immigration documentation or the need therefore, the RFL will
consult the UK Border Agency and/or the Home Office as appropriate and the Board
shall take their comments or advice into account but the Board shall be entitled to
determine the matter concerned.[/i
So, I don't think we can play him this season, but I have been wrong once on this already... so I do give up this time!
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