Re-edited for even more accuracy!

i agree we could have tried harder against manly,

Saddened is a racist. This is the only way to view his jaundiced opinions on Bailey.

I suppose I'm a homophobe too, for arguing with you?

I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?

I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?

Quote ="expatrhino"I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?'" I've not said Bailey is a dirty player or cowardly, I've just questioned the Leeds fans perception of him being a good player. The only things I've questioned are his abilities and the coaching staff's perception of his temperament. Not his yellowness, or blackness for that matter. Hooper was another player adored by his own fans who courted controversy but barely ever stepped out of line in the light of the law.

Quote ="expatrhino"I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?'" I've not said Bailey is a dirty player or cowardly, I've just questioned the Leeds fans perception of him being a good player. The only things I've questioned are his abilities and the coaching staff's perception of his temperament. Not his yellowness, or blackness for that matter. Hooper was another player adored by his own fans who courted controversy but barely ever stepped out of line in the light of the law.

Sorry must of thought that was a comment about cowardice!



and this was comment on him giving away penalties, i.e dirty.

Quote ="expatrhino"I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?'" not to mention how quickly you'd be banned from the saints site..

Quote ="expatrhino"I love how Saddened can come on here and criticize Bailey for being cowardly , dirty and how he shouldn't be in our team. Then he starts a thread on his site, where he should probably stay with his inane drivel. About how he misses a cheap shot merchant in Hooper. /viewtopic.php?t=401219 I think G1 might be right in his opinion that their maybe a reason why he is overly critical of Bailey. when he obviously likes a player who is late tackling cheap shot merchant imo. I wonder what the difference is?'" not to mention how quickly you'd be banned from the saints site..

No, you're a homophobe because your implication was I am a homosexual and this was used in a derogatory manner as if being homosexual was something I ought to be embarrassed about, if indeed I were.

So, to clarify, you're clearly a homophobe and you're a racist because its' the only way to judge your completely irrational view of Bailey.

You're a homophobe because yuo found it funny.

I was not. You assume too much.

My opinion that Bailey is an average player is hardly irrational either.

I assume nothing. Your post is clear. It couldn't be clearer. There's even a laughter emoticon.

Homophobe.

Judgeing his abilities I have no issue with. Its' the rabid posts describing him as "dirty" "thug" and "cheap shot merchant" etc that are impossible to explain other than being racially motivated, whether subconsciously or not.

The laughing emoticon is prior to the supposidly homophobic slur, so therefore, not related to it.

You won't find any posts of mine featuring the words dirty, thug or cheap shot merchant either, although I'm sure you'll attempt to trawl up some inference to said phrases.

I'll take your 2nd paragrah at face value. You're not a racist but clearly you're a homophobe.

ahhhahahahahah

No one's answered this, so here goes.

Fielden: Definitely
Thackray: ditto
Leulaui: 50/50
Carvell: narrowly
Burgess: deffo, though with experience maybe Burgess will be as good/better. But maybe not.
Peacock: no
Graham: depends on the type of game. Even though we lost on friday, I'd take Bailey's showing over Graham's.

whaaaaaaaat??????

This has to be a joke post, surely

Comedy post of the year!

I suspect that most Sainst fans would have Bailey over Fa'asavalu and possibly Cayless. I would love to have Graham at Leeds but I am also very happy with Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey, Burgess and Kirke as my props and don't feel that Graham would be a worthwhile signing within the salary cap.

Glad to see it went down so well.

I'd infer from your response that you'd rate Bailey less highly than all the other props on that list. The fact that Bailey commands a place in the most successful squad of the last 5 years suggests that you're of the opinion that Tony Smith and Brian McClennan know less about RL than you do. Maybe you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

No, it suggests there is a salary cap, and every side has to make do with it's plodders.

Why do you think Saints retained Mike Bennett for all those years?

Fielden: Definitely
Thackray: Definitely. That's why we released him and kept bailey. D'urgh,
Leulaui: Irrelevant.
Carvell: Definitely
Burgess: Irrelevant
Peacock: Irrelevant
Graham: No.

Bailey is nowhere near as good as Carvell, but the rest of the list is about right. Thackray is the worst player of the names mentioned.

I'm afraid anyone who take Ryan Bailey over Gareth Carvell needs their head read (unless you're taking injuries into account).

I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.