I've always chosen to support Leeds RLFC. That club existed pre 1997 and continued to exist post 1997 in my mind and still exists today and hopefully will in the future. I really couldn't care any less about the branding and the marketing of the Leeds side as they are of absolutely no concern to me. If it helps in any way to sustain the Leeds RFLC team I support than I can live with it without buying into it.

Yup.

I don't fathom the character of someone who professes to be a Loiner Till they Die, unless, of course, the club's branding and marketing isn't to their liking then they're off.

The occasional luddite may not like the branding of the club but anyone who professes to have been around Leeds RLFC in the 80s and 90s pre Rhinos must've been blind if they can't recognize the positives the new approach has brought the club.

Luckily Gareth you don't need to. I used to travel from Nottingham to Leeds on Friday night for a long time, I spent my money for Leeds for a long time. Since I have moved back to Yorkshire I now play for my local club, a club that provided several players in the current Dewsbury squad. So it makes social sense to spend my time with them and spend www money with them. I don't need Rlfans to communicate with Dewsbury fans, I see them every day.

Like I say, I have a sense of ownership I don't have for Leeds. I don't need to justify it to you. I have, because it makes you happy. But I don't have to.

Really? Looks like you forced your way onto the team photo tbh.



Do you? Every day? I very much doubt the players of shaw cross meet up every day.

No, but Dewsbury fans do.

The monied snob: Wouldn't eat beans on toast even if he was starving...unless they were bought from Fortnum & Masons.

The music snob: Dismisses all pop music out of hand as it lacks complex structure and artistic integrity.

The literary snob: Won't read popular fiction as it isn't steeped in a grand literary tradition.

The Rugby snob: See quote above.

I am looking forward to our next winning run, because they usually coincide with Mr Swiftcorns holidays.

Never before have I seen the word commodity used so often in the space of 3 paragraphs. Outstanding work.

I shall be using my commodity to access Headingley Carnegie stadium this afternoon.

I guessed as much, you have transferred your allegiencies to Dewsbury because it suits you socially. It's no greater calling to serve a community club as you alluded to earlier. If you had moved to Warrington you'd now be following "The Wolves" with your new mates.

I'm not dissing ya, just don't try and paint it as anything else and make a point of it.

One questoin mind, will you be "Dewsbury Till You Die" or will that change if you fall out with your mates and start playing for Batley Boys?

We (and I'm sure we're not unique) seem to have a few fans who seem unable to accept success. Many of the most voiciferous posters from before 2004 seemed to transfer to other teams, or even our team of the more distant past, as we gained more and more success. It's as if they feel unworthy or something. I'd be interested in a psycholgist or psychiatrists view on that phonemenon.

I do not think you do know the difference between commodities and services. Commodities/goods are sold in the shop at Headingley but this is a very small part of what the Club offers and is not mandatory for those attending the matches. 1000's of people attend the games to watch live sport and do not buy any commodities. Because you choose to "regard" this entertainment service as a commodity to suit your argument does not make it a correct description.

Like I said live sport is unpredictable and picking and choosing matches is fine but offers no guarantee of the actual viewing quality for the reasons I previously stated particularly if you allow any bias or prejudice to effect your choice.

You state that you "share no loyalty to any consumer brand" yet earlier professed to a preference for "Heinz Salad Cream"



You say you will "always be a Loiner however" Is that because you were born within the sound of Briggate's church bells? or have you bought into one of the alternative commodities?


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Quite the opposite actually old bean. I have switched my allegiance to Dewsbury based on the fact I would like to marry and have children soon. I would prefer that in their rugby related activities my kids grew up in a nurturing and supportive environment rather than one based entirely on money and success.

So if all current 'Rhinos' fans took your view and stopped spending money in the club, we became bottom of the league stragglers with vast debt and were totally unsuccessful, you'd be pleased with that? It's as if you are shocked at the way the club is ran in an industry where most successful teams follow the same model. I really don't see how you could be less interested in the club due to it becoming successful on and off the pitch, yet underneath the facade of the Rhinos branding it is the same team you have always supported, it's just moved with the times. It reminds me of my late grandmother who was terrified of new technology, afraid of change.

And do you honestly believe that given the chance Dewsbury wouldn't wish for similar money and success.
A glance at their website should give you a clue. The only tab on their top menu in capitals is the very first...'ONLINE SHOP'

Personally, and having seen and been involved in some of the brilliant work that the Rhinos Community team and their many volunteers put in, I find you post pretty insulting.

Isn't he just saying that a club like Dewsbury - by its very nature - will be more community focused than a 'big' club like Leeds? I'd be stunned if it weren't the case.

Dewsbury is more community based not by nature but by circumstance. If they were to get up into Super League and start competing at the top end of the table they would be run just exactly like Leeds are. At which point I presume his allegiance would have to change again, as he would no longer feel this 'ownership' of 'his' club, which by the way suggests the problem lay within the thinking of the individual. But I guess the 'Leeds became too much of a business, not enough of a community' line suits easier.
If someone wants to support another team then that's fine but to try and place some of the reasoning on the former club becoming too big, too business like, too successful is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Seeing through the agenda Keith makes some valid points. however sport is never a commodity which is defined as something that can be offered by many suppliers but where quality is considered standard, such as electricity. Sport isn't like this its emotional and is about the event and the journey as well as the result or performance. would I enjoy a technically perfect demolition of a top class team? Yes. would it keep me gripped the way the last 15 at Odsal did on Friday night would? Probably not. A huge part of yer attraction of sport is that unknown element. and that's why people across the world do it.

No, he isn't. He is saying that Leeds is

... and by implication that this it doesn't care about kids. His post is a gross caricaturisation of the club and denies the incredible hard work put in by it's dedicated community team and volunteers throughout the city. This extends to players and coaches attending junior club events, and training sessions for kids and community team coaches. Brian Mac visited every community club in his first few months as Leeds coach.

That Dewsbury is more dependent on, and therefore more closely tied to the community may be true, but it is the implication that Leeds don't work incredibly hard with kids and the community that galls.
In every respect, from branding and merchandising to sponsorship and playing success, Dewsbury has the same aspirations as any big club like Leeds. The only difference here is scale and achievement.

If Loinertillidie really cares about any of this he should forget about Leeds or Dewsbury and put his efforts into helping out with a real community team like many hundreds of volunteers do so selflessy in this city. The Yorkshire Junior League has 70 clubs he can choose from.

Course that was what you were thinking. If I marry and have kids what club would I want my kids supporting.

Guffaw etc.

FWIW, Stinkwort makes an excellent point. I've seen first hand some of the community work Leeds do. Because of the things that Dewsbury Till He Changes His Mind despises, money and resources, Leeds are able to and probably do more good community work than any other club in the region, including Dewsbury.

I agree. I'm also at a loss to understand the tremendous amount of effort some people put in to repeatedly criticising everything they can about the club, the players, the competition itself, the format, etc...etc...etc.. I could understand if we hadn't won anything for 20 years.

Just paid for tickets for Friday. Season ticket holder and paying to watch them in the cup.
What a sad market-driven brand-loyal consumerist saddo I am!

X2

At the risk of jumping on the 'laugh at the dewsbury fan' bandwagon.....



Absolute tosh.

Jump aboard Danny, the more the merrier.

I'm past all that lark but this was funny.