You've got to feel for Huddersfield in all this. They're very unlikely to get anything like what they'd want for Ferres as he's clearly marked "Fire sale" and virtually every team in NRL and SL will have their squad (and cap) close to finalised for next season. A player-swap would seem to be the best they could get right now.

F-All to do with paranoia their team-mate Huby has been shat on by someone else in their "team" of course it effects them or do you think none of them get on at all?
If it didn't effect them why would they speak out and call for Ferres to be gone?
Either way i doubt we'll be seeing Ferres in a Leeds shirt anytime soon and im happy about that.

Mmm...I suspect that deal would be fraught with complications. Respective wages of the players for a start, questions re whether Hudds would want Ferres playing for a rival, whether Achurch would want to play for Hudds, or whether Hudds would be tempted by a player with the track record of injuries and poor form of Achurch for a start. Don't see it happening myself.

If we were gonna sign Westerman ! then Ferres is a no brainer !!!

Ferres is most definitely a no brainer but he is a great Second Rower, and we should be looking to sign him at the Rhinos. Nothing else matters apart from Playing Ability. People moaning about him kn0bbing a lass in his own time should dismount that very high horse.

Kevin Sinfield is the man he is purely due to his playing ability.

Sorry, I don't follow?

With Ward out until May and JJB potentially a while away also, this is a signing I think we need.

Ferres is under contract until 2019 at Giants. Likely to be be on pretty high wages given one of their best players. can't see Anderson going for. A church as a 1 year loan swap and I can't see Leeds going for it either. The benefit he could bring for 1 year has to be weighed up versus the spirit in the camp. I get the points that players don't care etc who they line up with but when Leeds made those type of signings in the past - the team did not win trophies. There is a lot we don't know and at end of day I trust gh will make right call either way. Leeds have lost key leaders and now not right time to risk any distractions for 1 year of a better 2nd row forward imho.

True they might not be interested in Achurch, that was just a name I threw out there as an obvious expendable departure for Leeds. However Hudds have to be realistic here. At this time of year with squads sorted then what quality of player do they expect to get on loan in return? No one is going to release one of their best starting second rowers (or any starter) at this point for a controversial signing.

If playing ability is all that matters then we should get Hock in don't you think? Far more talented a player than Ferres, so what if he enjoys cocaine in his free time, doesn't matter does it, unless you're a hypocrite.

Everyone dismissing this act of betrayal don't seem to think that the team ethic matters at Leeds, I think it's the single most important thing. That's why I don't want Ferres, he didn't just 'knob a girl in his own time' did he? He did his team mates wife. It's so serious that Huddersfield want him out, and they want him out because untrustworthy team mates are a cancer in the dressing room. It's like having a thief in there.

You say I'm on a very high horse, I say what's made Leeds the best team in the competition is having the best team spirit and setting high standards of behaviour. I suspect Brian McDermott's and Gary Hetherington's horses are similarly high when it comes to despicable acts like this.

But then as it's only playing ability that matters, because nothing intangible can ever affect a team, get him and Hock in. We're bound to win the lot.

So do you think we should've kicked Hardaker out earlier in the year then? Because a lot of the team were angry that he'd put a potential spanner in their hopes for success in 2015 before the season had even really begun. Had he not been such a good and important player he'd have been gone.

Hardaker also had runs on the board with the team. As did Bailey before him. Bailey in particular you always felt was put up with largely because of his long past with the senior players. Ferres has no such credit.

That's not to suggest he shouldn't be signed - just that I would take the views of the senior players into account before considering it, and if the likes of McGuire, Burrow and JJB have issues with him, Leeds shouldn't go near. For most signings I'd say it would be down to GH and BM only, but in the case of Ferres I think it would be wrong not to consult the players.

The issues with Hock stem from "on the pitch" and how he goes about some things, not off it. Hock has talent that has been diminished because of what he does "on the pitch". There is absolutely no similarity to what happens in the private life of a player.

You not only need to get off the high horse, but also get the head out of the sand. There have been numerous bust ups at Leeds over the last decade involving players, but they move on. The issue for Ferres is purely between him and Huby, and the respective partners, not for anyone else.

The thing with Ferres would be that it if it was a loan, he could be sent back at the hint of any unrest.

I'd say the first bit is certainly contributory. They're also highly professional and were we to sign Ferres I suspect they'd put personal judgements aside for the good of the cause. As for GH and BMcD's views, I've no idea. I can only go on how I see it and as someone who's never felt the slightest inclination towards marriage or any long term relationship I can only say I view Ferres' actions with something approaching indifference. That's not to say I disrespect the views of others on what seems to be an emotive subject, rather that I struggle to understand them.

If you think Hock is a more talented player than Ferres, I'm not going to bother reading the rest.

There is a big difference between trying to educate and rehabilitate a black sheep who is already a member of the family and taking the risk of welcoming into the family someone with the potential to bring trouble and disruption.

When you screw one of your team mates wives it's not your private life, not even slightly.



Two things, firstly I'm completely comfortable up on my high horse. I find what Ferres did to be the lowest and scumbaggiest thing one team mate can do to another and I'm comfortable in not wanting him to play for Leeds purely on that basis.

Secondly, you're supposed to be able to trust your team mates. You should be able to trust them to have your back on the field, to not steal your phone while you're in the shower and to not stick their penis in your wife. It's not purely between him and Huby, because he broke that code and put himself above the team. It says a lot about a man that he's willing to do that to someone he's supposed to be in the trenches with, it speaks of his character and his reliability, and not well.

Ferres might be more reliable and more consistent, but there is not a chance on this earth he's a more talented player than Hock. The fact that Hock has no brain and has thrown his talent down the toilet doesn't change the fact that he has incredible talent.

If Hock had anything resembling a brain he could have been one of the best second rowers the game has seen, Ferres is just good.

Didn't Falloon leave the NRL under some sort of cloud? Don't recall the same level of frothing over that one; most just seemed pleased we'd acquired a specialist hooker. But of their respective, alleged offences, I'd say the one Falloon was associated with has the greater potential to disrupt.

Now that's a point we can agree on.

Wow! A lot of people really rating Hock highly. Not sure why, never fully fit a day in his life, error prone, lacked concentration and a liability discipline wise.
It's true, I liked some of the aggression he brought and he had decent hands, but really? Inconsistent, lazy, and incapable of drawing a line (unless it was with white powder in a pub toilet). But lots of excuses based on off field issues. As has previously been said, his issues for me were on the pitch.
Ferres by plenty.

I'm not saying I'd rather have Hock, just that in terms of pure talent he's the superior player.

Not condoning what Ferres did but we are talking about one issue here with him that would be massively unlikely to ever be repeated whereas Hock has a long list of 'incidents' and you always feel like his next cock up isn't too far away.

Again not condoning or trying to excuse what Ferres did but comparing him and Hock is quite flawed.