But yesterday you were saying that we really shouldn't look at just several games to prove it, but his defensive form over 4 years, so which is it?

Thing is I don't think Hall is the best defensive winger (but great defensive winger is hardly the most popular RL term anyway), his tackling technique is the main issue why I was against any calls for him to move to centre/2nd row. But neither do I think he is near one of the worst. One of his strengths is running out on the right occasions to stop the play - his intercept try vs Manly, he forced Ratchford to knock on late on in the 2012 GF, an intercept try vs Wire in the 2011 playoffs, and also the one in the England vs New Zealand which in the disappointment of him not being able to take hold of the ball people forget he stopped what probably was a try to New Zealand otherwise.

No wonder your quality of trolling has declined over the years. Simple fact is anything you type these days does the job - 6 pages and counting from just this.

Do you ever wish it was more of a challenge?

Seriously? A sensible suggestion is to blame Burrow and McGuire for chunky lad's 38% missed tackle rate?

Agreed McGuire is not the player he was, and his tackling was average at best, but little Burrow consistently tackles way above his weight!
And to be honest, if you have to go back 4 years to cherry pick various events in a player's career, when we are discussing current form, then you have already lost the debate.

Personally I'm surprised that the figure is as high as it appears to be. It was not something that I noticed at the time. I 'd be more concerned by his lack of direction with ball in hand, as I've never been a big fan of wingers who expend energy simply running across the pitch.

FYI I wasn't the one who first suggested looking back 4 years.

No it's not a case of "blaming" them but If you don't think having two halves on one side creates genuine defensive issues, no matter how tenacious they may be then so be it. Your chunky idea has so much more rugby insight and knowledge in it.

No, really.

Bless.

I suspect you're going to get through a few of these this season....

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Not really, you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd blame Joel Moon as well

I think we will call it 2-2.

As I've said on another post form is temporary class is permanent. Neither player scored but Ryan hall dominated the game. Devastating with and without the ball.

Some people like to knee jerk on here though. Can't think of many (if any) wingers who would win MOM without scoring any tries.

Some people actually watch games and comment on what is in front of them, without biase and agendas.

I said at half time Hall was magnificent. I also said when this thread was created he was playing poor, because he was.

From a guy who constantly gets asked "Did you actually watch the game?"

How did Turner do today BTW?



He wasn't though was he. His kick catching was a disappointment yes, and this led you and some others to all areas of his game harking back 4 years.

You talk nonsense. And are always found out.

Comment on the present, it's much easier.

By the way Turner was crap today. As I say, I comment on what actually happens, rather than what doesn't.

Slightly O/T but Briscoe's positioning in attack at times is shocking. He overruns the play often and as a result the ball has gone behind him and out of play a number of times this season.

As for Hall, he's still the most complete winger in this country, and one of the best in the world. I'm not sure anyone could say otherwise to be honest

Ok then......




What's that about talking nonsense and always being found out?

To be fair to Turner, I thought all the Saints backs were shocking except for Lomax. If I were Nathan Brown, I'd move Lance back to full back and put Lomax to 6 to take some of the responsibility off Walsh.

Come on guys admit it that you've both got huge man crushes on Ryan


Ryan by plenty IMO

Regards Tommy Makinson


Guffaw

Got to say I thought Hall was brilliant today and certainly back to his best form for a long time. Maybe BJB might get in ahead of Briscoe next week.

Is this the one problem with McDermott's rotation, it's not allowing Briscoe to strike up a partnership / timing with Watkins?

Haven't they played 9 out of a possible 12 games together?

Perhaps, but they've played enough games for Leeds, and England, not to mention hours in training together so I'm not sure that excuse is valid anymore, I also though that when McGuire passed the ball into touch in the first half that he overran the play, but I haven't seen it again so could be wrong.

Briscoe was at fault on both occasions I think.....but I certainly would not drop him in favour of BJB.
The way our triumvirate back 3 bring the ball back into play is a hugely important part of getting Leeds onto the front foot.

Hall was a justifiable MOM today. Brilliant

Exactly, I'd say work needs to be done there but can we honestly say BJB wouldn't have overrun too?

Probably more a pet peeve I have but most wingers positioning in relation to their centre/the play I find frustrating.

Irrespective of where Briscoe was, it was the wrong ball from McGuire to start with. Had no need to throw the big miss ball. One of a series of errors he started the game with.

Not even going to bother reading any further posts in this thread . Leeds 32-12 Saints is the only score that matters .