The role of the modern loose forward is not to be a pivot. It's to play as an extra ball carrier and defend in the middle third of the field.

I'm struggling to think of another side in SL that plays with pivots at 6,7 and 13.

Longer term, if Sutcliffe is going to play as a pivot then unless either the game changes or Leeds buck the trend he'll do so from stand-off. Ward may well fill out into the loose forward role, but with a bit more ball playing ability than others.

He is playing in a team that usually dominate in the forwards which gives his kicking game much time than usual - as soon as the pace hotted up at the business end of the season his effectiveness diminished to its normal level. Reynolds is much the same - a bit of an empty jacket at the highest level.

We have seen a host of similar half backs to Sutton in SL, Holdsworth, Sammut, Tim Smith - all NRL regulars - spring to mind, they have hardly set the league on fire - can't honestly see that Sutton is any better than them.

Isn't Wilkin a pivot? Only covered half back when they have injuries.

What's this modern loose forward? the game changes all the time, and there isn't a fixed way of doing things, or a certain type, you should pick a team to suit your own systems. Certainly in Leeds case they have always worked different to others, as Saints did in the first half of the 2000's. Is that difference that gives a team an edge more often that not.

What about Greg Bird? Isn't he a LF?

Flanders at Wigan is a playmaker from 13 as well.

I'm just not sure Aiton and poore are of the required quality.

Leeds recent recruitment has been so hit and miss. You have gems like delaney and hardaker.....but then you have the likes of ben cross, griffin, micheal coady, vickery et al.

It seems for every 3/4 players leeds sign, only 1 is decent or adds anything to the team. We've signed briscoe, so it looks like that's our lot for quality signings this season.

This is at a time when signing the right players is vital, we can't be making so many mistakes with recruitment when we have so many legends entering the twilight of their career.

If we sign aiton and poore all i see happening is they play a few times at first, are average. We then persist with what we currently have 80% of the time, these guys have cameos, maybe they are loaned out, then they just sign permanently for the team we've loaned them to.

So would I but I doubt brian would

It's my only concern about Aiton's credentials.

I have lots of other concerns about a range of social, political and economic issues. This just didn't seem like the place for them.

I'm holding on to them til Last Son of Wigan comes back.

Any mileage in this rumour and is it likely to happen? Are Moore and McShane the players going the other way?

Having watched Aiton for the last 2 years;fantastic defender,great determination, hard as nails but poor distribution, no kicking game and unable to direct play.

Poore, Aiton & Kirmond for McShane, Kirke, Clarkson & Moore plus cash?

That'll be next time that Wigan get to both finals and Leeds get to none.
Can you wait that long?

What's the latest on GH's plan for a player exchange wth Wakefield?Twitter says Poore wants to go back home and Salford want Aiton and Kirmond?

The most likely to go would be Aiton or Poore if a player was to be offered , we would be downright daft to let Kirmond go for anything other than an massively huge fee.

I think Kirkmond may be sold to the highest bidder whatever the price may be

Let's hope it's's the Rhinos?

If you end up with Aiton , Poore or especially kirmond just after Kath starts at Wakey then serious questions need to be asked by the rfl . Even when she was at Hull I couldn't get my head round the fact that man and wife could own 2 seperate teams in the same league .

She doesn't own Wakefield, she isn't even an employee. She is advising as a consultant. Nothing for the RFL to have any interest in.

Shes still dodgy as ferk!! tel her she owes john kear £200 for the sandwiches!! lol

Advising them to send there best players to Leeds


Is she working free ?

As long as the Rhinos pay the going rate for any Wakefield player what's the problem?

shes acting as a vulture, if it was her taking your stars the other way what would you be saying?

That's not going to happen though is it because we are the best run club in superleague, no different to Wigan signing Green and Taylor as long as the price is fair for the transfer fee, think all these rumours are bolloc@s leeds would have to move on contracted players and I can't see Kirmond finding a spot in our second row, he's no better than we already have, as fot Poore that exactly what he is. Again no better than we have, we don't have an hooker but sinfield can fill that role IMO, so Aiton is the only player who I think Leeds would be interested in full stop without exchanging or releasing players

I agree that probably Aiton is the only player that interests GH. I'm sure any deal will be correct and transparent!

Signing Aiton will be a mistake....he is not a big enough name to usurp the golden trio, so he will go just the same way as McShane.

Cameron Smith ....now that would be better

I agree but who else is realistically obtainable?