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| yes, of course
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| Having thought about this a bit more, I'm unconvinced that fatigue has played a major role in our substantial list of injuries.
It seems much more likely that conditioning of the players could be the root of the problem. It's been fairly well documented that our players are conditioned to peak at various points of the season. The flipside is that the team is in sub-optimal condition for much of the season. If, as in the last couple of seasons, the team takes its foot off the gas during these periods then it seems that few injuries accrue. The difference this season has been, at least in my view, that the team has played with a high level of commitment - perhaps while lacking the level of fitness/conditioning required to reduce the risk of injury.
Of course, it could just as easily be bad luck.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Of course, it could just as easily be bad luck.'"
So it could.
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| Wigan seem to have 9 of their first team squad out too. Is that also bad management I wonder?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Wigan seem to have 9 of their first team squad out too. Is that also bad management I wonder?'"
It's McDermott over-playing them, that's the reason players get injured isn't it?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Wigan seem to have 9 of their first team squad out too. Is that also bad management I wonder?'"
Wigan it appears to me do like to play with a fairly high level of intensity over the full eighty (unaware that Leeds were also doing this before reading Clearwing's thoughtful post) so if they are also preparing their players with at times sub-optimal conditioning it's perhaps little wonder they are also suffering a comparatively high rate of attrition when set against the SL average of 4.1
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Wigan seem to have 9 of their first team squad out too. Is that also bad management I wonder?'"
Look how well they did despite that. First choice 6 9 and 13 out, as well as a weakened pack yet they still nearly beat a full strength warrington on their own patch.
In a couple of weeks when we are in a similiar position i'd imagine we'd have the cleaners put trhoguh us.
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| on a positive note jjb has got his recovery period mentally "dialled in" and will be back playing in good time for the warm up sl games prior to the commencement of the play off series.
it's a shame that he's now out injured as he's clearly been one of our best players this season along with delaney and hardaker
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| Quote ="Jonesy's a Legend"on a positive note jjb has got his recovery period mentally "dialled in" and will be back playing in good time for the warm up sl games prior to the commencement of the play off series.
it's a shame that he's now out injured as he's clearly been one of our best players this season along with delaney and hardaker'"
Wow - your loyalty is admirable, stretching it a lot to say he has been anywhere near the performance level of Hardaker.
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| In spite of our current coach"s GF record , it is impossible to defend some of his brainless decisions in flogging players to death - every coach has now realised that a team cannot play at its peak for 26 rounds & then win the GF. So why
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1. keep JP on the field at Bradford with 15 minutes to go when we are 20 points in front - in that time he does his knee - and he is still not fully fit today
2. At Huuddersfield on Sunday - the game was gone with 15 minutes to go - why did he keep JP on the field - was Baldwinson not fit enough to do more than 4 minutes - brainlees coaching.
3. We play Hudds for the 3rd time & he has still not worked out that you need to stop Brough - we did not get near him for 80 minutes on Sunday - has he not noticed the pressure / hits put on Sir Kev these days , with or without the ball. Warrington played The Giants played Warrington a few weeks ago & it took Westwwood 5 minutes to flatten Brough - it is not rocket science - but a boi too deep for our coach.
4. Finally on tactics - when we have one of the best centres in the league , do we not have one move when we win the ball at the scrum - every time, we bring a man back inside towards the scrum - it drives me mad - come back Webby !!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Archer"
3. We play Hudds for the 3rd time & he has still not worked out that you need to stop Brough - we did not get near him for 80 minutes on Sunday - has he not noticed the pressure / hits put on Sir Kev these days , with or without the ball. Warrington played The Giants played Warrington a few weeks ago & it took Westwwood 5 minutes to flatten Brough - it is not rocket science - but a boi too deep for our coach.
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There was an interview with Brian Mc on Yorkshire Radio before the match. He was asked whether he thought Huddersfield had improved over the season. He said that he hadn't seen too much of Huddersfield this year.
If a head coach is not watching the easily available videos of every game the opposition plays, seeing patterns, pinpointing weaknesses, working out how your team can play to optimum to exploit them, then one struggles to figure out what he does with half his week.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"There was an interview with Brian Mc on Yorkshire Radio before the match. He was asked whether he thought Huddersfield had improved over the season. He said that he hadn't seen too much of Huddersfield this year.
If a head coach is not watching the easily available videos of every game the opposition plays, seeing patterns, pinpointing weaknesses, working out how your team can play to optimum to exploit them, then one struggles to figure out what he does with half his week.'"
Well he will have some time padded out as he's going to have to put the t's down now.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"There was an interview with Brian Mc on Yorkshire Radio before the match. He was asked whether he thought Huddersfield had improved over the season. He said that he hadn't seen too much of Huddersfield this year.
If a head coach is not watching the easily available videos of every game the opposition plays, seeing patterns, pinpointing weaknesses, working out how your team can play to optimum to exploit them, then one struggles to figure out what he does with half his week.'"
That's Chris Plume's job.
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| Quote ="Him"That's Chris Plume's job.'"
Regardless of whose specific task it is, it's still up to the head coach to ensure it's being done ... and properly.
That's why you have a head coach.
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| Some of his team selections might suggest he doesn't pay much attention to how his own team perform either.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Regardless of whose specific task it is, it's still up to the head coach to ensure it's being done ... and properly.
That's why you have a head coach.'"
Is there a suggestion that it isn't being done properly?
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| Sometimes watching videos isn't going to solve your problems.
Huddersfield, like Wigan, play in a pretty structured way. You pretty much know what the plan is with Huddersfield - massive pack win collisions, Lunt and/or Robinson snipe round the ruck when your markers don't get up in time, big, powerful outside backs exploit fringes where defence gets sucked in dealing with massive pack, Brough kicks deep when those bits don't get them up field.
It's not identifying it that's the problem, it's stopping it.
Pretty much every player you ever see interviewed says the same thing about Wigan. You know what's coming, but knowing about it and stopping it are too very different things.
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| Quote ="Him"Is there a suggestion that it isn't being done properly?'"
Erm, yes.
By Archer to whom craigizzard replied.
And craigizzard to whom you replied.
Did you not notice?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Erm, yes.
By Archer to whom craigizzard replied.
And craigizzard to whom you replied.
Did you not notice?'"
Is there a suggestion by anyone who might actually know what happens in the real world being made?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Is there a suggestion by anyone who might actually know what happens in the real world being made?'"
Well, if McD actually did say that he hadn't watched Huddersfield play, I'd be a bit concerned.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Well, if McD actually did say that he hadn't watched Huddersfield play, I'd be a bit concerned.'"
But he didn't say that. He said he hadn't seen much of Huddersfield. We've played Huddersfield 3 times this season, I can't imagine the video previews go much further back than 3 or 4 rounds prior to the game itself and as its Chris Plume putting the previews together then presumably McDermott will only have seen selected highlights of 10 or so of Huddersfield's games.
I'm not sure that's enough to judge whether Huddersfield have improved over the season or not.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Wow - your loyalty is admirable, stretching it a lot to say he has been anywhere near the performance level of Hardaker.'"
jjb has been one of our best players this season without a doubt,surely even with your blinkers on you can acknowledge that sal?
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| Interesting comments by Andy Barker in the YEP that virtually all of the injuries that have occured this season have been contact injuries, where bones and ligaments have just got into awkward positions and had force applied to them. The sort of thing you would expect to see in a contact/collision sport.
Barker separates these from muscle tears and strains, the kind of thing you would expect to see from overwork and failure to rest/rehab properly.
Now either Andy Barker is lying to the media to cover up for the failings of the first team coach in player management, or he might just have a better insight into these things (you know, as a trained physiotherapist) than some of the clamouring hordes on here blaming everything on the lack of a rotation policy.
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| Who has blamed EVERYTHING on non rotation then AG?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Interesting comments by Andy Barker in the YEP that virtually all of the injuries that have occured this season have been contact injuries, where bones and ligaments have just got into awkward positions and had force applied to them. The sort of thing you would expect to see in a contact/collision sport.
Barker separates these from muscle tears and strains, the kind of thing you would expect to see from overwork and failure to rest/rehab properly.
Now either Andy Barker is lying to the media to cover up for the failings of the first team coach in player management, or he might just have a better insight into these things (you know, as a trained physiotherapist) than some of the clamouring hordes on here blaming everything on the lack of a rotation policy.'"
Pipe down.
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