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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"As for the spear tackle, well I thought it was as bad as Scruton's on Cunningham at Headingley which resulted in a red card.'"
Indeed, that was another one on one tackle & was rightly punished at the time with a red.
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| The tackle where Scruton upended Cunningham also involved Bailey up top (and to an even lesser extent Tansey) but it's fair to say it was Scruton that did the heavy lifting.
The three officials on duty that night IIRC were Ganson, Child and Hicks. Ganson loves a red card.
The Whitehead tackle on Jones-Buchanan didn't look anything near as bad and Jones-Buchanan appeared unaffected as he jumped up and carried on running as opposed to Cunningham's reaction.
Leeds conceded seven of the last eight penalties (after having earned four straight at the start of the half) and only have themselves to blame for snatching a draw from the jaws of victory.
Peacock and Ablett's indiscipline should earn themselves a rest for Monday on that showing but they probably won't given the lack of trusted options available.
A final ten minutes to forget from Leeds that started with Peacock conceding the penalty while in possession and for the second game running. Remind me which team was supposed to be fresher coming into this game?
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| i thought hall having his try disallowed was also wrong, yes JJB was offside but thought that only counted once a bradford player touched the ball but they all missed it
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| Not sure what difference it makes to the offside ruling whether a Bradford player touched the ball or not - he clearly didn't - so presumably it makes no difference unless the video referee has made a monumental mistake.
Jones-Buchanan (and possibly McGuire) was in front of the kick through from Moon and stayed within ten meters of the ball at the point the Bradford players could have made contact. Moon could have chased forward and played Jones-Buchanan onside but was knocked out of his stride after the kick through.
I don't think Kearney was affected by Jones-Buchanan's chase as he appeared to be concentrating on the Leeds player closest to the ball (Hall) so one of those annoying technical rulings where common sense is trumped by the letter of the law - assuming Ian Smith got the call correct.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"What about the decsion to call the handover when Sinfield re-gathered a kick 10 meteres from the Bulls line that was clearly touched by Kearney? As for the spear tackle, well I thought it was as bad as Scruton's on Cunningham at Headingley which resulted in a red card.'"
You mean this one? Don't quite think Whitehead's was this bad
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| Quote ="roger daly"Got to comment on what game you Rhinos fans were watching
Why is it that every other teams players are always wrong
You go on about Whitehead for a spear tackle,Bateman for making Peacock look rather silly when he tackled him ,Scruton on that clown Bailey
Look at yourselves for not winning tonight,Peacocks discipline,Bailey been Bailey,what a tool he is,etc etc
And sorry almost forgot the ref didn't give you at least two thirds of the penalty count,can't leeds win without this'"
Bailey been Bailey did nothing wrong but barge Diskin in the hand bags that followed Whiteheads sh##-house effort no elbows or forearms were raised at all so you are talking sh##.
As for him being a tool why ? Because Scruton tried to smash him and came off worse again Bailey did nothing wrong!!!
Peacock was stupid but we saw plenty of pushing by Bulls players after tackles that went unpunished so surely if that's not punished at other times why then decide to start blowing the whistle??
Either penalise the offences for 80 minutes or dont bother its about consistency across the board for both teams.
I've no problems with a draw both sides got stuck in and earned the right to a point each but certain calls deserve to be highlighted whether they went for or against anyones team.
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| Bailey appears to push the young touch judge in the back during the skirmish that follows the Whitehead tackle on Jones-Buchanan. IIRC the last time he pulled a similar stunt he received a three match ban.
I know it's Ryan Bailey and he does what he wants but there should be absolutely no place in the game for man-handling the officials.
What action will the RFL take this time?
Quote ="rhinoms"Peacock was stupid but we saw plenty of pushing by Bulls players after tackles that went unpunished so surely if that's not punished at other times why then decide to start blowing the whistle??
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Peacock's was pretty blatant though wouldn't you say?
Perhaps Bradford were just a bit smarter about it.
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| I've already said JP was stupid TVOC but there were others that were easily seen and ignored and that's my point ignore them all or penalise them all its straight forward the players will eventually get the message.
If Bailey has been seen to be man handling officials then no doubts it will be reported.
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| Peacock played the ball and then went after Bateman. I don't think he left Bentham much option in the circumstance. It was an incredibly dumb thing for him to do especially in that game situation and field position. He got precisely what he deserved at that point, likewise with his eventual sin-binning for dissent. Sarcastically applauding the referee's decision may curry favour with his coach but they're as daft as each other if they think any official worth his salt is going to put up with that.
If you've got any specific examples of Bradford player's doing likewise we can discuss those as well.
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| A great game and no complaints from me on the ref apart from the Sinfield no knock on decision but that wasnt what cost us the point.
Good to see a bit of needle in these games again,long may it continue.
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| Quote ="RatedRKO"Wrong. The tackle was not even close to being high, it was a bad head clash, as shown on the replay and Bentham said he had called held.'"
Whether it was high or not what you think, where the hell do you get he was held? He was tackled more than 10 yards further forward, the ref blew because of the Bulls player laid out, then took Baile back to where that incident was. Completely wrong and ridiculous decision.
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| Are some of your fans really still trying to blame the ref?
There were a few dodgy calls both ways, as there are in every game. Stop trying to find someone to blame other than your players and just be pleased that there is some 'passion' back in our derby.
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| Quote ="Czech Bull"Are some of your fans really still trying to blame the ref?
There were a few dodgy calls both ways, as there are in every game. Stop trying to find someone to blame other than your players and just be pleased that there is some 'passion' back in our derby.'"
Its a pity your own fans cannot follow your advice.Didn't the RAB forum go into meltdown after the Bulls home defeat to St Helens with Mr Roby as referee? Take the plank out of your own eye
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| 7 pages of moaning about a ref who most people think did ok in a great game. Lets get over it, we have a game in 72 hours so long as we can clear the snow from Odsal!!! Enjoy your trip to France, trust the weather is better for you guys!!
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| Jamie Peacock didnt play well tonight at the end. Rest of game he was fine.
Still think the ref has the RL Chief exec's ear to keep the league as close as possible though. Every time except 2 has had a draw i think!!!
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| Quote ="meast"apart from the sinfield knock on that wasn't bentham was spot on tonight with just about everything,i agree that whitehead was lucky to not see at least yellow but it was the leeds players petulance and niggling that threw that game away,peacock especially was to blame for 2 decisions going bradfords way that otherwise would have probably seen leeds home.
great game for the neutrals though.'"
What he said. Pathetic blaming the ref with some of the poor decision making & standard of play from the players.
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| One of the worst refereeing performances of the year if not more
Got every contentious decision wrong, and seemed to be guessing most of the time.
he missed knock ons , he got turnover rulings wrong, he wasn't consistent at all.
then obviously got the hump with Leeds & seemed hell bent on getting the Bulls over for that last try
what rounded the night off for me was Scruton trying to take Baileys head off getting laid out flat in the process then Bailey getting marched back 10 yards & told off
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| Have Rhinos never won a game off the back of some poor decisions. Of course not, they're always the victims.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Peacock played the ball and then went after Bateman. I don't think he left Bentham much option in the circumstance. It was an incredibly dumb thing for him to do especially in that game situation and field position. He got precisely what he deserved at that point, likewise with his eventual sin-binning for dissent. Sarcastically applauding the referee's decision may curry favour with his coach but they're as daft as each other if they think any official worth his salt is going to put up with that.
If you've got any specific examples of Bradford player's doing likewise we can discuss those as well.'"
Why do you feel the need to repeat what JP did?
I've already said it was a penalty and agree his dissent deserved a yellow but ateod all that happened in the 1st incident was pushing.
As for specific incidents Sammut x2 and L'estrange committed just the same offences in the 2nd half which could have resulted in penalties that weren't given and im sure if you look hard enough there'll be others showing Leeds players doing the same so if he isnt penalising the offence earlier why wait to do it at all it points to inconsistency imo.
Also for the visitors to the forum not once have i blamed the official for the result and posted clearly the draw was a fair result in the end.
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| Having just caught the Whitehead dump tackle and aftermath I'm still at a loss as to how Bentham allows him to stay on the pitch
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| I can't believe fans are calling for a Red for that 'Spear tackle'
There was no intent to spear, it was a tackle around the waist, there was no lifting between the legs there was no driving the player into the deck. When the player went past the horizontal he started to pull out of the tackle realising the way he was going.
You see those kind of tackles every couple of weeks and every time it's a penalty because the tackle has become dangerous. But it's simply down to the way bodies move in the tackle. You can't in a split second account for the way a player is going to fall.
To me it's very similar to a high shot when a player is going down in the tackle. There is no intent but because it ends up around his head a penalty must be given, regardless of the fact the players intent.
But as I said earlier, fans have their blinkers on and only see what they want to see. If we are going to red every player who makes dangerous tackles, then Leeds and Bradford would have had about 5 or 6 reds between them last night, simply from tackles that hit high despite the intention.
We could start with Maguire who gave a lovely high shot near the end of the game. No contact with the shoulders, straight red, no need to look at intent or the fact the player was falling causing maguire to end up around the head.
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| Quote ="tenerifeRhino"One of the worst refereeing performances of the year if not more
Got every contentious decision wrong, and seemed to be guessing most of the time.
he missed knock ons , he got turnover rulings wrong, he wasn't consistent at all.
then obviously got the hump with Leeds & seemed hell bent on getting the Bulls over for that last try
what rounded the night off for me was Scruton trying to take Baileys head off getting laid out flat in the process then Bailey getting marched back 10 yards & told off'"
wrong.
he got one decision wrong all night,the knock on against sinfield,the rest of the time he had no option but to penalise both teams for indiscipline,leeds in particular were petulant and niggly in the last 10-15 minutes when they should have been composed and seen the game out.are you suggesting bentham was wrong to penalise peacock for his push on bateman? had he not done that sinfield would have probably won the game with the drop goal.
are you seriously suggesting he was wrong to penalise leeds for offside in the last 2 minutes and giving peacock his marching orders thus allowing bradford to steal a point? even before that he could and should have got mcguire for pushing sammut as he was trying to play the ball.
not one of the officials calls last night cost leeds, as i've said previously,leeds players indiscipline cost leeds,to blame the officials is way off the mark.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"Having just caught the Whitehead dump tackle and aftermath I'm still at a loss as to how Bentham allows him to stay on the pitch'"
he tells whitehead that he had already let him go before he hit the ground which is why he didn't send him off, to be fair to JJb he just got stright up and got on with it.
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| As usual the comments on here are of mixed accuracy etc. Yes, Ablett and Peacock lost it and went into red mist mode. Sadly that's what happens when the ref spends almost the whole game forgetting to get the Bulls players onside (I did not notice it as much the other way - obviously), and gets no help from his touch judges, one of whom should have gone to Specsavers as he couldn't spot a forward pass when it was right in front of him ( 3 in one movement?) They should be able to rein it in - they didn't and it cost us. If Bails had shoved the young TJ he would have gone over as his thin long legs would not have been enough to hold him up. I just hate it when an officlal has the greatest influence on the outcome of a game instead of the players' skill and hate it even more if some players enhance that incompetence by losing their rag.
Without Bentham's many errors - both ways - we would probably have won, but we should be able to overcome his inept performance. Last night that was just too much and so a draw was probably a 'fair' but very disappointing result, because it was influenced by things other than the skills and talent that were on show from two sets of players.
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| Quote ="meast"he tells whitehead that he had already let him go before he hit the ground which is why he didn't send him off, to be fair to JJb he just got stright up and got on with it.'"
But he still took him beyond horizontal which still an issue
Correct call on JJB, top effort that which I didn't fully see in the South Stand
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