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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"I wasn't aware there was a competition going on for the best come back. Not interested anyhow. I just deal with reality.
Leeds are an ordinary team this year. Fortunately for them, Castleford are whipping boy rabble (just like Hull FC). That's why Leeds are off to Wembley again and Castleford are just making up the Semi Final numbers.
You may have noticed the celebratory Leeds dressing room immediately after they were aware of who they'd drawn in the Semi Final? I certainly did. Their collective expressions had 'Wembley' written all over them.'"
I have to say, it's sometimes a pleasure to see a master at work.
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| Good to see Keith can still have an effect on visitors from other clubs. It's been a while since I've seen him trolling someone other than Leeds fans.
I was pleased with the draw. Not that I think Cas will be easy, just that I think they'll be easier than Wigan or Stains. I'm sure Cas thought exactly the same about us.
I think we [imight[/i well get to Wembley again, where we will be massive underdogs. Anything can happen in a one-off game, but you'd have to say that the winners are likely to be the winners of the othewr semi really. Both the weekend games on the tellybox were entertaining, but there was a huge difference in the quality.
I might well pop down to Wembley again whoever is there (dead easy from here) and certainly intend to go down for the 5th November. I'm excited about that one. We'll probably get a beating, but I've never been to an international at Wembley.
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| does anyone know the end cas or leeds will be allocated for the final.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"I'll be there on November 5th for sure... you?'"
Only going for the day though Keith, we'll be in the wetherspoons in Harrow on the hill prior to the game as always, pop in for a cold one
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"At Outlaws we're running a coach down for the CC final for the first time, which will be a real laugh. I'm thinking though that if Leeds get there it'll ruin the day for me a bit'"
Luckily it's not about you.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"You may have noticed the celebratory Leeds dressing room immediately after they were aware of who they'd drawn in the Semi Final? I certainly did. Their collective expressions had 'Wembley' written all over them.'"
To be fair, I imagine the Cas players reacted in exactly the same way.
It wasn't so much who Leeds drew, it was avoiding Wigan and Saints. Same goes for Cas.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"To be fair, I imagine the Cas players reacted in exactly the same way.
It wasn't so much who Leeds drew, it was avoiding Wigan and Saints. Same goes for Cas.'"
To be honest, on their season form, they would have probably preferred either Saints or Wigan over us.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Your odds are pitched to attract a level of business, nothing more - its why odds move around depending on the level of exposure to risk or underselling of the event that the profitable bookmaker feels he has - it has little or nothing to do with what may or may not happen during any specified event.'"
Lovely theory, but not completely true. Compilers and traders are well paid for a reason and will be prepared to be more exposed on some events than others.
I reckon Leeds will be giving Cas a 6-8 point start in the match.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Not in Rugby League however.'"
Sheffield Eagles anyone?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"To be fair, I imagine the Cas players reacted in exactly the same way.'"
Your not wrong there
My Cas supporting work colleagues were in the corporate section [i<a scruffy run down bar inside the ground > [/i on Sunday and they said that all the players were buzzing when they heard the draw.
TBF its the ideal draw for both clubs, if we were offered a semi final against Cas at the start of the season for a place at wembley would we be happy? Too bloody right we would be
Are Cas happy at meeting an under performing Rhinos side that has lost 10 games so far this season and are currently below them in the league table for the first time in god knows how long? Too bloody right they are
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| Saints v Cas final it is then
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| Quote ="007"Sheffield Eagles anyone?'"
Well done on remembering a result in isolation from 13 years ago.
Still doesn't amount to 16/1 shots coming in every day in Rugby League.
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"Your not wrong there
My Cas supporting work colleagues were in the corporate section [i<a scruffy run down bar inside the ground
> [/i on Sunday and they said that all the players were buzzing when they heard the draw.'"
A Semi Final against Leeds is more important than any Cup Final for them.
Quote ="The Biffs Back"Are Cas happy at meeting an under performing Rhinos side that has lost 10 games so far this season and are currently below them in the league table for the first time in god knows how long? Too bloody right they are'"
I'm sure they believe they're in with a good chance of beating Leeds.
In reality, they aren't and they won't.
McGuire will probably have his customary flat-track bully field day against Castleford. He'd score against them even if he was laid out on a stretcher.
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| Quote ="JoshyyCas"Wait until the compiled odds come out for the individual game..i can tell you now there wont be much in it. Leeds are no longer the force they once were..face facts my friend.'"
Yes and cas are still only just hanging in there remind me what was the score at the jungle this season past it eh !!!
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| It's quite possible that we will be above Castleford in the league table by the time the semi-final comes about.
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| Quote ="FoxyRhino"It's quite possible that we will be above Castleford in the league table by the time the semi-final comes about.'"
Indeed.
The Salford and Castleford whipping boy rabble are getting 10 and 12 points start respectively on the handicap coupons this weekend.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Well done on remembering a result in isolation from 13 years ago.
Still doesn't amount to 16/1 shots coming in every day in Rugby League.'"
Well, mostly they can only come in on match days can't they?
I bet 16/1 first try scorers come in reasonably often. Not sure how much I'd bet. Probably depend on the odds like.
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| I'd hazard a guess that the following were 16/1 at the start the tournament
Hull in 2005
Castleford in 85/86
Featherstone in 82/83
not to mention Sheffield, Leigh etc
Whilst it's not a common occurrence, it does happen and not just a one off as suggested
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| Whilst you're all scratching around for further isolated examples of shock results in the CC in order to fantasise about the potential for a difficult Semi Final for Leeds, I'll continue to maintain that Castleford (like Hull FC in the previous round) is a comfortable draw. Four easy CC draws in 2011 thus far against whipping boy rabble... Crusaders, Harlequins, Hull FC and now Castleford.
Rhinos fans who would only attend the CC Final if Leeds are there may as well book their Wembley tickets now in order to avoid queueing at Headingley.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Whilst you're all scratching around for further isolated examples of shock results in the CC in order to fantasise about the potential for a difficult Semi Final for Leeds, I'll continue to maintain that Castleford (like Hull FC in the previous round) is a comfortable draw. Four easy CC draws in 2011 thus far against whipping boy rabble... Crusaders, Harlequins, Hull FC and now Castleford.
Rhinos fans who would only attend the CC Final if Leeds are there may as well book their Wembley tickets now in order to avoid queueing at Headingley.'"
Huddersfield in 06...
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Whilst you're all scratching around for further isolated examples of shock results in the CC in order to fantasise about the potential for a difficult Semi Final for Leeds, I'll continue to maintain that Castleford (like Hull FC in the previous round) is a comfortable draw. Four easy CC draws in 2011 thus far against whipping boy rabble... Crusaders, Harlequins, Hull FC and now Castleford.
Rhinos fans who would only attend the CC Final if Leeds are there may as well book their Wembley tickets now in order to avoid queueing at Headingley.'"
wasn't scratching around, just pointing out that this quote was incorrect.
Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"
Well done on remembering a result in isolation from 13 years ago.
Still doesn't amount to 16/1 shots coming in every day in Rugby League.'"
I wouldn't expect 16/1 shots, by the nature of the odds to come in regularly but they do happen on an ongoing basis, even in RL.
Whether leeds win or not depends om whether they turn up IMO. It shouldn't be a problem but there have been some very poor performances this year.
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| Leeds 2011 are no Wigan 1998, in short.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Well done on remembering a result in isolation from 13 years ago.
Still doesn't amount to 16/1 shots coming in every day in Rugby League.'"
Now now Mr Corn,I never said it happened all the time,I just said it happened,Which from time to time,it clearly does.
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| Quote ="Wheels"Huddersfield in 06...
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I see he hasn't wanted to reply too quickly to that has he?
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| Quote ="Wheels"Huddersfield in 06...
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Different set of circumstances in 2006 and the result was not a surprise.
That CC Semi Final result was sandwiched in-between a run of poor form which involved FIVE consecutive defeats under the coaching regime of Tony Smith. Those run of consecutive defeats also included losses to whipping boy rabble like Hull FC and Castleford!!!
Not even Brian McDermott has coached the club to FIVE consecutive defeats, nor has he coached the club to defeats against SL whipping boy rabble like Hull FC and Castleford.
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