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To give that some perspective, I attended a coaches session run by London Irish a while back. They go through video of the game and every tackle gets a score of 0-5. 0 is a miss, all the way through to 5 which is a turnover. The tackle objective at pro level Union is exactly the same as in league - to slow down the ruck speed so the defence can organise. A 1 on 1 side tackle that drops a player straight to the floor scores 1 - it's a defensive failure as usually the tackler is isolated and the ball can be recycled instantly. An upright wrap around and drive (preferably with more than one defender) that clamps the ball and pushes the player back scores a 3-4 depending on how long it takes the ball to be recycled.
I think this video is aimed at kids and introducing them to the game - safety here is the initial priority. Hence all the stuff about getting your head on the right side etc. And some of us still get it wrong like I did on Saturday.
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To give that some perspective, I attended a coaches session run by London Irish a while back. They go through video of the game and every tackle gets a score of 0-5. 0 is a miss, all the way through to 5 which is a turnover. The tackle objective at pro level Union is exactly the same as in league - to slow down the ruck speed so the defence can organise. A 1 on 1 side tackle that drops a player straight to the floor scores 1 - it's a defensive failure as usually the tackler is isolated and the ball can be recycled instantly. An upright wrap around and drive (preferably with more than one defender) that clamps the ball and pushes the player back scores a 3-4 depending on how long it takes the ball to be recycled.
I think this video is aimed at kids and introducing them to the game - safety here is the initial priority. Hence all the stuff about getting your head on the right side etc. And some of us still get it wrong like I did on Saturday.
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| Quote ="SaintMarshy"What a tool Neil Fissler is "...#rugbyleague is a joke sport"'"
just goes to show neil fissler is a "joke" journalist if RL is that much of a joke sport then why can't RU and more point of fact england RU produce plyers like kyle eastmond ect i think eastmond will end up on the wing or at fullback in RU, like robbo did. good luck to the kid you could see his heart wasn't in it saturday where he'd usually run at defences in good attacking positions he switched play and passed it on and that certainly wasn't his game. |
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| Quote ="totalloiner"if RL is that much of a joke sport then why can't RU and more point of fact england RU produce plyers like kyle eastmond ect '"
Because they're not suited to the union game? Much the same way that league doesn't produce a lot of 6'6" forwards or players that can kick goals from their own half.
The English rugby union system has produced plenty of players of its own perfectly suited to playing their sport - indeed you may want to ask why if the sport can't produce players of quality as you suggest was it such a rich breeding ground for successful rugby league converts until it went openly professional? |
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I'm not sure the English RFU was such a rich breeding ground for RL although not entirely because of a lack of talent. There was not enough money in RL to tempt them. We tended to pick up the dissaffected, passed over talent rather than top proven International quality, I can't think of one of those.
The Welsh RFU however you'd have a point.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Because they're not suited to the union game? Much the same way that league doesn't produce a lot of 6'6" forwards or players that can kick goals from their own half.
The English rugby union system has produced plenty of players of its own perfectly suited to playing their sport - indeed you may want to ask why if the sport can't produce players of quality as you suggest was it such a rich breeding ground for successful rugby league converts until it went openly professional?'"
ok andy you name me five ENGLISH internationals who coverted from union to league in the 70's 80's 90's i bet you couldn't count them on one hand, because we all know they were well paid in their day jobs unlike the welsh coverts jon webb (surgeon) brian moore (solicitor) rory underwood (RAF pilot) to name just 3. |
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| Quote ="DHM"Lewis Moody when he's fit, but he's injured so Mike Tindall got to do it for now.'"
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| Quote ="totalloiner"ok andy you name me five ENGLISH internationals who coverted from union to league in the 70's 80's 90's i bet you couldn't count them on one hand, because we all know they were well paid in their day jobs unlike the welsh coverts jon webb (surgeon) brian moore (solicitor) rory underwood (RAF pilot) to name just 3.'"
Why do they have to be internationals?
Your point was the rugby union in England was incapable of producing its own players up to the standard of those produced by rugby league.
Are you shifting the goalposts now you've realised how silly that comment was?
Where do you think the most prolific rugby league try scorer of the 1990s came from?
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| Quote ="totalloiner"ok andy you name me five ENGLISH internationals who coverted from union to league in the 70's 80's 90's i bet you couldn't count them on one hand, because we all know they were well paid in their day jobs unlike the welsh coverts jon webb (surgeon) brian moore (solicitor) rory underwood (RAF pilot) to name just 3.'"
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| Quote ="totalloiner"=#BF4000name me five ENGLISH internationals who coverted from union to league in the 70's 80's 90's i bet you =#BF4000couldn't count them on one hand'"
I bet if he did name you five he could easily count them on one hand!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Why do they have to be internationals?
Your point was the rugby union in England was incapable of producing its own players up to the standard of those produced by rugby league.
Are you shifting the goalposts now you've realised how silly that comment was?
Where do you think the most prolific rugby league try scorer of the 1990s came from?
Closer to home, who was Keith Senior playing for when he was picked up by Sheffield Eagles?'"
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"John Bentley was one ... Hadn't Big Jim Fallon had a game for England before he signed for us ?'"
Bentley was a full England International as far as I recall. He came to Leeds after royally mouthing off about Will Carling - and with some justification - thus attracting the disaffected label.
Jim Fallon was England 'A' rather than full England wasn't he?
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| I don't know what I'm more shocked at tvoc, the fact that you could be wrong, or that you are showing disinterest in this possibility....   |
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Simon Irving.
No more to say
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| Quote ="flipper"Hudds YMCA RUFC?'"
rosslyn park iirc, my point was that if the said journo thinks RL is a joke sport then why does it's players attract interest from the other (in his thinking more superiour) code? it was more of a go at him rather than the english RU but again you only came up with 2 names bentos and fallon (who was a b international). in fact i played on the same team as bentos and doddie weir last year whilst in kowloon, so i've nothing against RU, just journos like fissler who want to put our great game down. and a leeds far better than senior came from local RU. |
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| Quote ="totalloiner"rosslyn park iirc, my point was that if the said journo thinks RL is a joke sport then why does it's players attract interest from the other (in his thinking more superiour) code? it was more of a go at him rather than the english RU but again you only came up with 2 names bentos and fallon (who was a b international). in fact i played on the same team as bentos and doddie weir last year whilst in kowloon, so i've nothing against RU, just journos like fissler who want to put our great game down. and a leeds Centre far better than senior came from local RU.'"
I know it's not the point you are making, but wiki and other sources say Hudds YMCA
I played with Bentos and against Doddie ironically. |
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| Quote ="tvoc"Bentley was a full England International as far as I recall. He came to Leeds after royally mouthing off about Will Carling - and with some justification - thus attracting the disaffected label.
Jim Fallon was England 'A' rather than full England wasn't he?
(I could be wrong and if I were, fairly unusually for me, I don't think I'd care on this one.)'"
John destroyed Carling when they played against each other Yorks V Durham and North V London..
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| Quote ="flipper"John destroyed Carling when they played against each other Yorks V Durham and North V London..
I could understand why he was hacked off, one didn't get picked, the other was made captain.'"
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| Quote ="flipper"I know it's not the point you are making, but wiki and other sources say Hudds YMCA'"
Martin Offiah came from there? Well you learn something new every day.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Martin Offiah came from there? Well you learn something new every day.
I assume you two are discussing Senior and Offiah but not neccessarily at the same time.'"
quite possibly 
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In the bin?
Yeah sure, go for it.
(Preston weren't that bad to be fair.)
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| Quote ="tvoc"In the bin?
Yeah sure, go for it.
(Preston weren't that bad to be fair.)'"
if you were on the wing in those wigan teams, and had pace, you'd score tries as you usually had a pretty good centre inside you.
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Now that we're nearing 6 pages in...
Could I be the one to refer people back to the thread title? Has it actually been confirmed anywhere?
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