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| Quote ="nantwichexile"
Thanks for that. Where did he stick Bush when he came on ? Did McShane have a good game in your opinion ?
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Bush played on the wing - had one clear run for the try line from about 70mtrs but was outpaced and caught on around halfway. Doesn't have the pace for the wing IMO, probably why he's a full back predominantly but while Webb and Smith are here it's hard to see him getting a go there.
McShane did OK, took his try well and a few good in game kicks to turn the defence around. I have high hopes for him especially having Buderus to learn from.
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| Thought Coady might have got a run out instead of Bush.
How did Amor play?
Not sure how we can drop Smith for the next game.
From comments made I would leave Diskin out next week and maybe play McShane in the 17.
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| Quote ="Beastwood"Bush played on the wing - had one clear run for the try line from about 70mtrs but was outpaced and caught on around halfway. Doesn't have the pace for the wing IMO, probably why he's a full back predominantly but while Webb and Smith are here it's hard to see him getting a go there.
McShane did OK, took his try well and a few good in game kicks to turn the defence around. I have high hopes for him especially having Buderus to learn from.'"
Have previously said the same. We also hopefully have Ben Jones-Bishop back for competition at full-back next season. Maybe even Smith would continue to struggle to claim his own spot next season and will remain our "utility back" that he fast appears to be becoming now this season.
Hard to see a future for Bush at Leeds in either wing or full-back position.
My sentiments too ref McShane...and next season we should certainly give priority to Buderus and McShane for the hooking role (over Diskin)....but by expressing such an opinion you always run the risk of being abused on here of course.
Quote ="chapylad"Thought Coady might have got a run out instead of Bush.
Not sure how we can drop Smith for the next game.
From comments made I would leave Diskin out next week and maybe play McShane in the 17.'"
Can't disagree with Coady over Bush.....but he appears to be short of pace too. As before, somebody recently suggested giving Hall a run at LF to accommodate Smith on the wing. Not sure myself, but it at least shows imagination.
I would probably start Hall on the bench next match as Smith does appear to have done enough to keep his place.....certainly instead of Diskin, who it appears is not improving.
Dare I suggest (again) that I agree McShane should perhaps now ALREADY be first choice back-up to Buderus ??
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"but by expressing such an opinion you always run the risk of being abused on here of course.
dare I suggest (again) that I agree McShane should perhaps now ALREADY be first choice back-up to Buderus ??
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Don't be silly, It's a fair and valid opinion, some of us just like to debate these things, no one gets "abused".
The day we all agree on everything southstander will become a very boring place.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Don't be silly, It's a fair and valid opinion, some of us just like to debate these things, no one gets "abused".
The day we all agree on everything southstander will become a very boring place.'"
Some sensitive souls seem to believe that disagreeing with their point of view IS abuse.
Christ knows how they get on in the real world, or maybe they don't.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Some sensitive souls seem to believe that disagreeing with their point of view IS abuse.'"
On this board, to be fair to nantwich, there is a huge difference between disagreeing and what response is given. Of course that seems to apply to the same poster/s all the time.
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| Groin injury picked up by Disko just after he came on.
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"Groin injury picked up by Disko just after he came on.'"
That's a bit of a cloud though with a silver lining
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"That's a bit of a cloud though with a silver lining'"
Exactly my thoughts, although the severity of it is unknown.
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| Interesting dilemma for McLennan this week.
Crusaders will be no pushovers as their performance against Bradford showed yesterday.
Does he retain his "utility back" in the starting line-up after three tries and an excellent goal-kicking performance? If so, at whose expense? A week off for Webb maybe?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Interesting dilemma for McLennan this week.
Crusaders will be no pushovers as their performance against Bradford showed yesterday.
Does he retain his "utility back" in the starting line-up after three tries and an excellent goal-kicking performance? If so, at whose expense? A week off for Webb maybe?'"
Webbs just had a two week break. I'd rest Delaney. he's played a lot of matches including the last 12, and has a high workrate. Give him a rest I'd say.
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| Fair point, I just thought that leaving Webb out may be a way to send a message about indiscipline and in particular dissent to the rest of the squad.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fair point, I just thought that leaving Webb out may be a way to send a message about indiscipline and in particular dissent to the rest of the squad.'"
I would rather send a message out about laziness and shocking defensive performances, and rest Senior.
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| I know Smith has just put in a good performance, but does he have to play?
I mean he will have arrived back in Leeds understanding that we have a strong back line and that he may have to sit some weeks out.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I would rather send a message out about laziness and shocking defensive performances, and rest Senior.'"
did you attend the game on Saturday?
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"I know Smith has just put in a good performance, but does he have to play?
I mean he will have arrived back in Leeds understanding that we have a strong back line and that he may have to sit some weeks out.'"
I would hope that players believe form is an indicator to be picked, rather than whether we had a strong back line on paper before he came back.
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"I know Smith has just put in a good performance, but does he have to play?
I mean he will have arrived back in Leeds understanding that we have a strong back line and that he may have to sit some weeks out.'"
He doesn't have to play, but he's put in some decent performances recently, though not always, so I think he should keep his shirt. He could also do with the gametime as I think he is still a little off the sharpness we saw last season.
A week off would do Delaney more good than any of the others IMO. Hall has also played the last 11, so could be in for a rest, and would allow Smith to stay where he is
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I would hope that players believe form is an indicator to be picked, rather than whether we had a strong back line on paper before he came back.'"
Does one game represent "form"?
I thought Smith rescued a pretty ordinary performance against Wigan in the Cup with the winning try (his kick returns in particular were shockingly lateral in a game where field position was everything) and didn't pull up any trees against Wakefield at centre.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Does one game represent "form"?
I thought Smith rescued a pretty ordinary performance against Wigan in the Cup with the winning try (his kick returns in particular were shockingly lateral in a game where field position was everything) and didn't pull up any trees against Wakefield at centre.'"
I thought Smith was poor against Wigan, and also thought he was against the Bulls. Had he been dropped against Wakey I would have had no complaints. But against Wakey in the centre, he had a very good game and has now followed this up with an extremely good game against Quins.
Senior on the other hand has been poor for weeks now IMO. If anybody deserves to be ommitted from the backline it is him. That said I also agree that it may be a good time to give Delaney a rest, if a rest is deemed as required.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Don't be silly, It's a fair and valid opinion, some of us just like to debate these things, no one gets "abused".
The day we all agree on everything southstander will become a very boring place.'"
We would still have coffee tables, right?
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| Quote ="Wheels"We would still have coffee tables, right?'"
We have had some good debates about coffee tables, diets etc.
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| Do the younger lads really need "resting"?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought Smith was poor against Wigan, and also thought he was against the Bulls. Had he been dropped against Wakey I would have had no complaints... '"
I'd agree with that and agree that against Wakefield and Quins he has improved significantly.
Did you notice how Wille Poching had a couple of words with him before every restart this Saturday?
A bit of one-on-one coaching maybe?
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Don't be silly, It's a fair and valid opinion, some of us just like to debate these things, no one gets "abused".
Thanks Tony...but I invite you to take another look at some of the responses I received from the likes of "Ear of the Biff" (sp) and "Pug" (sp)...and others.
I eventually 'let go' because I realised I was never going to be given a rest from the [ipurile/puerile[/i
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Some sensitive souls seem to believe that disagreeing with their point of view IS abuse.
Sensitive soul ? Not I. ... Do I detect some allegiance/affinity/alliance to the main perpretators ? It might offer an explanation for your attempt to diminish clear attempts at provocation
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