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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Looks like sgtwilko has been handed his ar5e to me.'"
Looks more like he explained the procedures from his workplace, a place that he was willing to name so that we were in no doubt that he did not just make it up, and then some foot-stomping and scweeming started.
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| Maybe its just me and how I have been brought up but why on earth do people judge someone by their skin colour?!
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"Maybe its just me and how I have been brought up but why on earth do people judge someone by their skin colour?!'"
and/or height and/or hair colour. It's just wrong.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Looks more like he explained the procedures from his workplace, a place that he was willing to name so that we were in no doubt that he did not just make it up, and then some foot-stomping and scweeming started.'"
that's all I did and we all can see the reactions it gets! the comment I through in last night only inflamed things and was daft and naughty. But what some can't see is all I offered is how racism works in the real world. which is very different to a text book or EU guide lines.
Which brings back on topic. johns had to go. it's very high profile and hope it sends a message especially to the kids of oz. as MCfield mentioned it's with kids where fight can be won!
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Looks like sgtwilko has been handed his ar5e to me.'"
it wouldnt be the first time perp! But not this time. Some people just don't get it.
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| Quote ="Widnes 'till i die"Why do i argue your point? maybe it has something to do with the fact that i dont like people falsely telling others they are incorrect, there are few things more annoying to me than an ignorant 'know it all' The only reason we are still arguing is because you seem unable to own up to the blatantly obvious fact that you were wrong.
Your next sentence is nonesensical , if you fancy re-phrasing it in English, i may be able to respond
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Lets get one thing straight before i address your next baseless assertion. If you want to know the definition of a word, you look in dictionaries. All respected dictionaries (eg the Oxford English dictionary, which i posted a link for you earlier) go against your statement that a member of an ethnic or racial minority can't be racist. As the term has legal connotations, you may want to base the definiton, on the accepted definition used by say the UN or the European parliament - both of which i posted a link to earlier, showing that the defintion they use goes against the definition you have been using. Furthermore, you could argue that definitions of words change over time, therefore the definition that the majority of the population accept, is the true definition for the word, but again, this goes against your statement that a member of a minority cannot be a racist (can you see the pattern yet?
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Which ever way you look at it, your definition wasnt true. Therefore when you told a poster he was wrong, becasue his point was contradicted by your made up definition, you were wrong. As soon as you accept this we can move on. I ask you again, do you accept you were wrong? (please dont make another pi$$ poor attempt at dodging my questions, its getting a bit embarrasing.
You did not give me simple grounds for why a minority can't be a racist. You were using circular 'reasoning' (i use the term very loosely - you did little more than simply rephrase your original assertion). If you base an argument on the premise, that using any definition for the word 'racist' other than yours, is wrong (i.e. a false premise, as explained above) then the whole argument which is based on this premise is irrelevant (although as i have already said, the word argument may be stretching it a bit, no matter how much you want it to, re hashing your original asertion, is by no stretch of the imagination a supporting explanation).
I can't give a toss how many facts, these people could tell me, you cannot escape the fact (no matter how much you try and dance around the point at hand) that using the definition of a word agreed upon by (amongst many others) [url=http://www.hri.org/docs/ICERD66.htmlthe U.N.[/url, [url=http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/racism?view=ukthe Oxford English Dictionary[/url, [url=http://www.europarl.europa.eu/comparl/libe/elsj/zoom_in/02_en.htmThe European Parliament[/url, and the vast majority of the public, should be seen as, by no stretch of the imagination, incorrect. Labelling it as such (as you did) is a ridiculous (and incorrect) thing to do. Do you finally understand why?
No you didnt, you said that by other posters, not agreing with what you have being taught, they were wrong. This is what people are taking exception to.
I would have no issue with someone stating: i was taught x, y and z. You however said: you are incorrect, i know i am right because i was taught x, y and z. There is a massive difference (especially when, as is in this case, all the evidence points to x,y and z not being true)
What line was i peddling which you didnt like? which line was i peddeing which led to you calling me a nazi?
Why are you again changing the subject and claiming my posts have a common feel to them?
(how can they have a common feel to them? do you often tell people they are wrong, for using the correct definition of a word, and then adamently stick to your statement, without using any evdence to back it up, ultimately resorting to dodging questions left right and centre, and calling people nazi's. If so, then i can see why responses to you have this 'feel' to them... its the '
why the hell am i trying to debate a moron' feel)'"
defo should not have suggested you were a Nazi. it was a poor troll. but on the subject Im not wrong. twist it how you like. It's very simple. racism is about oppression. in modern society White people are not oppressed by their ethnicity. how can we possibly suffer racial oppression when the White majority are the power brokers. just because there is a black man in the White house doesn't mean equal opportunities for all ethinicities.
chris rock tells a great joke which sums it up really well
"I'm black, I'm rich, I'm famous but their ante a white man on earth who would trade places with me"
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| So, you don't see the incongruity of labeling someone a Nazi and suggesting that an entire nation is racist against your stance on racial prejudice?
I don't see it as "foot stomping", simply responding to idiocy when I come across it.
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| Quote ="Ronzy"So, you don't see the incongruity of labeling someone a Nazi and suggesting that an entire nation is racist against your stance on racial prejudice?
I don't see it as "foot stomping", simply responding to idiocy when I come across it.'"
that comment was a pure late night poor dig which inflamed the topic! it was uncalled for. but the priciple of my posts stands strong. surley you agree with that.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"that comment was a pure late night poor dig which inflamed the topic! it was uncalled for. but the priciple of my posts stands strong. surley you agree with that.'"
I am glad that you have acknowledged that the comment was ill judged. To me, the term Nazi is nearly as offensive as directly racist language. There are people I know who witnessed what the Nazis were capable of first hand, to use the term so readily lessens the sheer horror of what these people brought upon fellow humans.
I agree with your stance against racism, I agree that it is more probable that the majority always have the greater propencity to oppress but, I disagree entirely that is always the case. If you don't believe me, get some good history books and read more than the synopsis.
Oh, I also agree that Chris Rock is a comic genius!
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| Quote ="tvoc"and/or height and/or hair colour. It's just wrong.'"
and so unnecessary.....
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Looks more like he explained the procedures from his workplace, a place that he was willing to name so that we were in no doubt that he did not just make it up, and then some foot-stomping and scweeming started.'"
No.
He's labelled someone a Nazi just because they didn't agree with his opinion.
He's had his ar5e handed to him on that alone.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"that's all I did and we all can see the reactions it gets! the comment I through in last night only inflamed things and was daft and naughty. But what some can't see is all I offered is how racism works in the real world. which is very different to a text book or EU guide lines.'"
Real world?
I thought you said that's how it was explained to you in a social work team?
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"No.
He's labelled someone a Nazi just because they didn't agree with his opinion.
He's had his ar5e handed to him on that alone.'"
For which he apologised.
So now ?
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"For which he apologised.
So now ?'"
He'd be best just retiring quietly as that action alone completely devalues his whole argument.
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"He'd be best just retiring quietly as that action alone completely devalues his whole argument.'"
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Bollax'"
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| Quote ="Asim"Real world?
I thought you said that's how it was explained to you in a social work team?'"
thats right! understanding reality is massive when trying to offer the best services with a lack of funds. the people who know and understand a community advise on how best to get the best services. that's who you give good services with people who really understand the area they work in! Roundhay road is lucky, it has a lot of workers who come from the area. If you didn't come from the area you were made in a massive way to understand the hardship of the people you provide services for!
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"He'd be best just retiring quietly as that action alone completely devalues his whole argument.'"
Na perp! I wouldn't take notice of anything you say. your just here to niggle! Your like an STD I once had!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Na perp! I wouldn't take notice of anything you say. your just here to niggle! Your like an STD I once had!'"
Oh dear. How classy.
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Oh dear. How classy.'"
Oh mate if it was only the first one ide had!
I new it was time to ease off when the doctor at the clap clinic said
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sad but true. Lucky Ive settled down since then.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"You wouldn't see it anyway, but its on the previous two pages in abundance.'"
Thats weird, all i've seen is sgtwilko accuse someone of being wrong when they weren't, fail to accept he was wrong when he were called on it, yet at the same time, fail to give any evidence to support his poistion. I have used reasoned logic, and have backed up my points with evidence and have provided links, sgtwilko has dodged all my questions and reorted to insults. Despite all this you call me the child having the hissy fit, and when i've asked you to justify such a seemingly ridiculous statement, you've failed to do so and have simply repeated your statement. Which part of this summary dont you agree with?
Quote ="McLaren_Field"Looks more like he explained the procedures from his workplace, a place that he was willing to name so that we were in no doubt that he did not just make it up, and then some foot-stomping and scweeming started.'"
Have you not read any of my posts, or did you read them and not understand them? He didnt just explain the definition of racism used at his workplace, he was specifically telling others they were wrong for using a different definition, to the one he had being taught at his workplace. Its not very hard to see this massive difference in the two - I explained this in my last post.
Quote ="sgtwilko"that's all I did and we all can see the reactions it gets! the comment I through in last night only inflamed things and was daft and naughty. But what some can't see is all I offered is how racism works in the real world. which is very different to a text book or EU guide lines.'"
Thats not all you did, apparently you also didnt bother to read my last post, or didnt understand it. See the point i made above.
No, you didnt just explain about how racism works in the real world You simply defined racism differently, to another poster, and told him he was wrong because he used a definition which didnt agree with your definition.
(sorry if my responses seem a bit repetitive, he keeps churning out the same old arguments that i've already debunked, so im having to argue against the same arguments time and time again, until either he realises he is wrong, or actually starts defending his points)
Quote ="sgtwilko" Some people just don't get it.'"
Finally something we agree on. Your ability to simply not get it is astounding me. You keep trotting out the same points, as if you haven't realised /cannot comprehend the fact that, i've already defeated defeated them.
Quote ="sgtwilko"defo should not have suggested you were a Nazi. it was a poor troll. but on the subject Im not wrong. twist it how you like. It's very simple. racism is about oppression. in modern society White people are not oppressed by their ethnicity. how can we possibly suffer racial oppression when the White majority are the power brokers. just because there is a black man in the White house doesn't mean equal opportunities for all ethinicities. '"
I notice that again, you have failed to answer any of my questions, or directly dispute any of the poits i've made. You dont seem to want to take my points on board, or dont seem to understand them so i'll make it simple:
You asserted that, the statement 'Anyone can be racist, it doesnt matter whether they are a part of an ethnic minority or not' is incorrect.
You have supported it by the 'fact' that: racism is oppression, and you cant oppress if you are part of the 'enpowered majority'.
This supporting evidence is based entirely on your definition of the term racism.
Can you not see how this is circular reasoning?
Your whole argument can be condensed down to: 'your statement about the definition of racism is wrong, because mine is right' (because as i've said, your supporting evidence holds, if and only if your premise (that your definition of racism is the only correct one) is true)
And as i've shown, your definition isn't supported by any of the dictionaries i've bothered to check, isnt supported by the UN or the European Parliament, and isnt supported by the majority of the public.
Im sorry but you have categorically, been proved wrong.
(The above point, in bold, is the crux of the whole argument, you cannot decide not to respond to it, without concedeing that you are wrong)
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So the next time you write me a PM and apologise for something that you wrote in haste at 2am in the morning during a petty argument with another insomniac you want me to ignore it and ban you again ?
Just so I'm clear on this of course.
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| Quote ="Widnes 'till i die"Thats weird, all i've seen is sgtwilko accuse someone of being wrong when they weren't, fail to accept he was wrong when he were called on it, yet at the same time, fail to give any evidence to support his poistion. I have used reasoned logic, and have backed up my points with evidence and have provided links, sgtwilko has dodged all my questions and reorted to insults. Despite all this you call me the child having the hissy fit, and when i've asked you to justify such a seemingly ridiculous statement, you've failed to do so and have simply repeated your statement. Which part of this summary dont you agree with?
Have you not read any of my posts, or did you read them and not understand them? He didnt just explain the definition of racism used at his workplace, he was specifically telling others they were wrong for using a different definition, to the one he had being taught at his workplace. Its not very hard to see this massive difference in the two - I explained this in my last post.
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You're off on one again
You really don't like people who offer something different to your point of view do you ?
An academic, definitely, corduroy jacket with leather arm patches, breathes in deeply through his nose before he makes a statement, laughs at his own jokes - I've got you haven't I ?
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"So the next time you write me a PM and apologise for something that you wrote in haste at 2am in the morning during a petty argument with another insomniac you want me to ignore it and ban you again ?
Just so I'm clear on this of course.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"So the next time you write me a PM and apologise for something that you wrote in haste at 2am in the morning during a petty argument with another insomniac you want me to ignore it and ban you again ?
Just so I'm clear on this of course.
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