Fair comment. He's a great player. However there are times when his willingness to take the ball up often makes your play somewhat predictable and easy to defend against. Unfortunately Saturday wasn't one of these occasions.

No one mentioned international class



But seriously with the players in front of him thats not that un-thinkable, though I still imagine he's still some way down the pecking order. You need a little more at international level IMO

I do have a point.

Does that apply to Cunningham then?

You could at least spell his name right. MARTYN

Considering that he's retired no, as we could go on for a while. Pele would be crap, Maradona average and Alex Murphy terrible.

I will refresh your memory.









Now this is where FearTheVee is infering, somewhat tongue in cheek that becasuse Bailey has not got lots of international caps he can't be great to which I replied



Get it now.

See above

I think they call that, KAPOW!

Martyn wasn't that great anyway. His own club coach tried to replace him with Darrel Trindall. Of course, playing for the "mighty S" automatically elevates your status to echelons players who achieve far more success at other clubs can only dream of, in their eyes anyway.

It's good to see Leeds fans admitting the truth at last!

Sorry, let me bring you up to speed.

I've been using the Saints coined phrase "mighty S" is an ironic, mocking fashion since about, oh, October 2007.

No, not at all.

Cunningham made 23 international appearances.

Ok i will go a little further. He has hardly lit up the international scene as has Bailey but FearTheVee was implying that because Bailey has not lit up the international scene he is not great, how did he put it a plethora of international caps. Cunningham has not lit up the internaional scene but is indeed a modern day great. He has not been as involved as say Morley or Peacock but is still regarded as a modern day great.

Now do you see what i'm getting at?

I thought so.

The same coach who allegedly wanted to swap Keiron Cunningham for Pachniuk (sp?) at Halifax.

I wonder what the Halifax chairman thought when he got the telephone call......

..won you the title. Yes.

With Martyn and Cunningham, not Trindall and Pachniuk.

HTH

Spent a while with them then. So his realisation that they were flat track bullies who weren't as superhuman as fans of the "mighty S" and Eddie Hemmings might have the rest of us believe was a reasoned one, reached after some time.

I meant, what on earth would Ellery Hanley know about greatness in the field of rugby eh?

And found out he had been sacked when he heard it on the radio IIRC.

He certainly did. A great man manager by all accounts and had the players wanting victory more than any coach I've ever seen at Saints.

Still, that has no bearing on the fact that he wanted to swap such great players for completely inferior ones. At that stage of their careers you'd have struggled to find a Saints fan who would have swapped Cunningham and Martyn for anyone in Super League, and in Cunninghams case, the world.

Would you go into business with him?

Define "with him"?

Would I be working alongside him in, say, goods acquisitions?

Or would I be working for him as a magician? Isn't that what the phrase "turning tricks" means?

I resteth my case.

Cunningham was never world class in your eyes?