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Quote ="rhinoms"Some post match thought's.....
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Great to bounce back with a win,1st half was great with plenty of speed,movement and support play.
Credit to catalans they got the early try in the 2nd half from kirke's error and really got stuck into us.
Despite the error's and the dragons coming back at us in the 2nd half we still created a couple more chance's and dug in defensively which imo show's talk's of "rift's and division" behind the scene's as complete bollox and the usual bile that does the round's when we hit a dip in form.'"
Thats it? That's all you have to say on it? Do you not have an opinion of your own? only the clubs thoughts, and bitches about people posting rifts?
For what its worth, I didn't get carried away with the 1st half performance, as I dont think we will come up with an oppossition as poor as that again this year. That said, we were still very good in that 1st half. I just kept thinking how we would be really over a slump if we could repeat that at a place like Cas in a couple of weeks.
On the second half, to me we were poop, really really poop. And to me it had two common denominators. One we had Diskin at dummy half instead of Buderus (yes we did for last 15 of 1st half, but we were on a roll then). His movement from their was poor and slow. His pass to Kirke for the 1st knock on was pish poor, and Buderus would not have made that mistake. It was no coincidence that our turn around in form in the 1st half was with Buderus starting the game, which was much faster and busier.
2nd problem was bringing on McGuire. He completely took the structure away from the team. It pains me to say it, because I like him a lot, but he simply had a nightmare. He was too eager to try and impress from been dropped to the bench, and everything we did good in the 1st half went out of the window. His timing of the pass to Webb for what should have been a walk in try, was amateurish. He passed far too early, when in realization he could simply have dummied and gone in himself.
I really hope we can repeat that 1st half showing, we need to, but unfortunately I dont think we can without starting with the same half back combination again, and the definately the same hooker. |
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Great to bounce back with a win,1st half was great with plenty of speed,movement and support play.
Credit to catalans they got the early try in the 2nd half from kirke's error and really got stuck into us.
Despite the error's and the dragons coming back at us in the 2nd half we still created a couple more chance's and dug in defensively which imo show's talk's of "rift's and division" behind the scene's as complete bollox and the usual bile that does the round's when we hit a dip in form.'"
Thats it? That's all you have to say on it? Do you not have an opinion of your own? only the clubs thoughts, and bitches about people posting rifts?
For what its worth, I didn't get carried away with the 1st half performance, as I dont think we will come up with an oppossition as poor as that again this year. That said, we were still very good in that 1st half. I just kept thinking how we would be really over a slump if we could repeat that at a place like Cas in a couple of weeks.
On the second half, to me we were poop, really really poop. And to me it had two common denominators. One we had Diskin at dummy half instead of Buderus (yes we did for last 15 of 1st half, but we were on a roll then). His movement from their was poor and slow. His pass to Kirke for the 1st knock on was pish poor, and Buderus would not have made that mistake. It was no coincidence that our turn around in form in the 1st half was with Buderus starting the game, which was much faster and busier.
2nd problem was bringing on McGuire. He completely took the structure away from the team. It pains me to say it, because I like him a lot, but he simply had a nightmare. He was too eager to try and impress from been dropped to the bench, and everything we did good in the 1st half went out of the window. His timing of the pass to Webb for what should have been a walk in try, was amateurish. He passed far too early, when in realization he could simply have dummied and gone in himself.
I really hope we can repeat that 1st half showing, we need to, but unfortunately I dont think we can without starting with the same half back combination again, and the definately the same hooker. | |
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| Quote ="DISA"Thats it? That's all you have to say on it? Do you not have an opinion of your own? only the clubs thoughts, and bitches about people posting rifts?
For what its worth, I didn't get carried away with the 1st half performance, as I dont think we will come up with an oppossition as poor as that again this year. That said, we were still very good in that 1st half. I just kept thinking how we would be really over a slump if we could repeat that at a place like Cas in a couple of weeks.
On the second half, to me we were poop, really really poop. And to me it had two common denominators. One we had Diskin at dummy half instead of Buderus (yes we did for last 15 of 1st half, but we were on a roll then). His movement from their was poor and slow. His pass to Kirke for the 1st knock on was pish poor, and Buderus would not have made that mistake. It was no coincidence that our turn around in form in the 1st half was with Buderus starting the game, which was much faster and busier.
2nd problem was bringing on McGuire. He completely took the structure away from the team. It pains me to say it, because I like him a lot, but he simply had a nightmare. He was too eager to try and impress from been dropped to the bench, and everything we did good in the 1st half went out of the window. His timing of the pass to Webb for what should have been a walk in try, was amateurish. He passed far too early, when in realization he could simply have dummied and gone in himself.
I really hope we can repeat that 1st half showing, we need to, but unfortunately I dont think we can without starting with the same half back combination again, and the definately the same hooker.'"
I don't think McGuire had one of his best games either, they said he was carrying an injury on Sky. I do think though if he was fit, and in form we would have done even better in the first half.
If in future we are going to go with one half back with Sinfield i'd prefer McGuire to start at 7. Some of his best, most influential games have been when he has been more involved - i just think he has a little bit more to offer than Burrow and is far to good to be on the bench.
McGuire read the play suberbly and put himself in position to make the break to give the pass to Webb, yes he did pass to early but if he wasn't there we wouldn't have made the break. |
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| Quote ="DISA"Thats it? That's all you have to say on it? Do you not have an opinion of your own? only the clubs thoughts, and bitches about people posting rifts?
For what its worth, I didn't get carried away with the 1st half performance, as I dont think we will come up with an oppossition as poor as that again this year. That said, we were still very good in that 1st half. I just kept thinking how we would be really over a slump if we could repeat that at a place like Cas in a couple of weeks.
On the second half, to me we were poop, really really poop. And to me it had two common denominators. One we had Diskin at dummy half instead of Buderus (yes we did for last 15 of 1st half, but we were on a roll then). His movement from their was poor and slow. His pass to Kirke for the 1st knock on was pish poor, and Buderus would not have made that mistake. It was no coincidence that our turn around in form in the 1st half was with Buderus starting the game, which was much faster and busier.
2nd problem was bringing on McGuire. He completely took the structure away from the team. It pains me to say it, because I like him a lot, but he simply had a nightmare. He was too eager to try and impress from been dropped to the bench, and everything we did good in the 1st half went out of the window. His timing of the pass to Webb for what should have been a walk in try, was amateurish. He passed far too early, when in realization he could simply have dummied and gone in himself.
I really hope we can repeat that 1st half showing, we need to, but unfortunately I dont think we can without starting with the same half back combination again, and the definately the same hooker.'"
I thought it was a clear opinion!!!
Just because i haven't singled anyone out for a slating or picked on individual incident's doesn't make it any less of an opinion as your's! 
P.s The catalans had 99% of the momentum in the 2nd half and that was as much to blame for our "structure" problems,for me diskin needs a rest and mcshane brought in for at least 1 game!! |
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| we played pretty good but catalans were absolutly shocking in the first half.
Soft defence, silly mistakes, lack of fire in the forwards.
Some of the comments on here are laughable though.
First half best performance in 3 years? LMFAO.
We beat f*cking st helens by more in the grand final of 07 FFS, that's just one game you could pick out.
Honestly some of the stuff on here is crazy.
When we lose it's:
We were SHOCKING, no effort no passion, more signings needed!!!
Then we play ok first half and win against and inconsistent mid table team and it's:
first half was best performance in 3 years!!! ahahahahaha 
Seriously, sometimes theres very little difference in leeds level of performance it's just the opposition either play very well, or roll over for us and play totally sh*t.
harlequins and salford just came out and wouldn't roll over for us like they normally do. They weren't dropping the ball, giving penalties away or letting us score soft tries. |
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| Quote ="Snake Eater"we played pretty good but catalans were absolutly shocking in the first half.
Soft defence, silly mistakes, lack of fire in the forwards.
Some of the comments on here are laughable though.
First half best performance in 3 years? LMFAO.
We beat f*cking st helens by more in the grand final of 07 FFS, that's just one game you could pick out.
Honestly some of the stuff on here is crazy.
When we lose it's:
We were SHOCKING, no effort no passion, more signings needed!!!
Then we play ok first half and win against and inconsistent mid table team and it's:
first half was best performance in 3 years!!! ahahahahaha
Seriously, sometimes theres very little difference in leeds level of performance it's just the opposition either play very well, or roll over for us and play totally sh*t.
harlequins and salford just came out and wouldn't roll over for us like they normally do. They weren't dropping the ball, giving penalties away or letting us score soft tries.'"
You've never read any comments from me like that when we've lost!
Most of your comments last season with regard us having no chance of winning the Grand Final were worth a "ahahahahahahaha  "
IN THE FIRST HALF we looked structured, organised and had purpose and totally dominated - our performance and control didn't allow Catalans to perform. |
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| Quote ="DISA" One we had Diskin at dummy half instead of Buderus (yes we did for last 15 of 1st half, but we were on a roll then). His movement from their was poor and slow. His pass to Kirke for the 1st knock on was pish poor, and Buderus would not have made that mistake. '"
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| Quote ="efcrhino"Team for next game:
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Anyone else think DISA is on a permanent period nowadays?
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| Quote ="Kifaru"Anyone else think DISA is on a permanent period nowadays?'"
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I blame you and G1
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Which brings me onto why he hasnt applied the same criteria to St Helens on Saturday that he has been with Leeds.
After all, two dreadful back to back perfromances from Saints surely means a crisis and wholesale changes from the coach right through to the academy set up? |
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| Quote ="Kifaru"Which brings me onto why he hasnt applied the same criteria to St Helens on Saturday that he has been with Leeds.
After all, two dreadful back to back perfromances from Saints surely means a crisis and wholesale changes from the coach right through to the academy set up?'"
I'm sure he'll have some alternative opinion's of the mighty "S"!! |
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| Quote ="Kifaru"Anyone else think DISA is on a permanent period nowadays?'" I think he's spot on about the Buderus/Diskin issue and the McGuire point.
We looked loads more structured with two halves and a running LF. Maybe with McGuire, Burrow and Sinny we have too many chiefs and not enough Indians?
Until McGuire stops impersonating a headless chicken then it's Burrow and Sinfield for the halves. |
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| Quote ="G1"I think he's spot on about the Buderus/Diskin issue and the McGuire point.
We looked loads more structured with two halves and a running LF. Maybe with McGuire, Burrow and Sinny we have too many chiefs and not enough Indians?
Until McGuire stops impersonating a headless chicken then it's Burrow and Sinfield for the halves.'"
Yes He is right on that. Doesnt stop him being a stroppy cow though. |
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McGuire was poor when he came on. Not much worse than every other player on our side though. The lack of depth across the park was astonishing, especially compared to the 1st half. A flat attack is all well and good when it's done at pace. Second half it was flat and static. Everything seemed to be up the middle, with no shape outwide whatsoever. This has been the case in each of the games we've played poorly this season, and needs addressing.
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| Quote ="G1"I think he's spot on about the Buderus/Diskin issue and the McGuire point.
We looked loads more structured with two halves and a running LF. Maybe with McGuire, Burrow and Sinny we have too many chiefs and not enough Indians?
Until McGuire stops impersonating a headless chicken then it's Burrow and Sinfield for the halves.'"
This is one of the key factors that needs fixing at the moment, you've summarised pretty well, it shouldn't be about removing McGuire but fundamentally changing his game.
His basic instinct is to run the ball, utilising pace and elusiveness that has served him so well for the best part of 20 years. If he is to move his career successfully into its next stage, his initial priority should be to pass the ball and look to create for team mates. Take the ball on the move, and put colleagues into gaps. He has that passing game in his armoury but it appears infrequently as he dances like a headless chicken.
He's a great player, and will continue to score tries for fun; what Leeds need now is a great stand off in the traditional sense. I reckon thats the solution to the slightly stale half back combination in the long term as Sinfield will only ever be a quality stand in stand off. |
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| Quote ="Maverick Rhino"This is one of the key factors that needs fixing at the moment, you've summarised pretty well, it shouldn't be about removing McGuire but fundamentally changing his game.
His basic instinct is to run the ball, utilising pace and elusiveness that has served him so well for the best part of 20 years. If he is to move his career successfully into its next stage, his initial priority should be to pass the ball and look to create for team mates. Take the ball on the move, and put colleagues into gaps. He has that passing game in his armoury but it appears infrequently as he dances like a headless chicken.
He's a great player, and will continue to score tries for fun; what Leeds need now is a great stand off in the traditional sense. I reckon thats the solution to the slightly stale half back combination in the long term as Sinfield will only ever be a quality stand in stand off.'"
McGuire is a wonderful elusive runner and backer up but has never been an ideal SO. In the first half Sinfield gave shape to our attack which was lost when McGuire came on. However I must say that the second half performance from the pack was woeful and that made McGuire's job much more difficult |
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1st Half: 2 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass To Opposition, 1 Forward Pass, 1 Kick Out On The Full
= 10 Errors in Total
2nd Half: 4 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass In To Touch, 2 Kicks Out On The Full, 1 Tackled Into Touch.
= 13 Errors in Total
Timings of errors:
1st Half - 1, 5, 6, 14, 20, 23, 25, 29, 36, 39
2nd Half - 40, 45, 52, 55, 58, 58, 61, 63, 66, 71, 73, 77, 78
Edit: As per F R's post below.
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| Quote ="tvoc"1st Half: 2 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass To Opposition, 1 Forward Pass, 1 Kick Out On The Full
= 10 Errors in Total
2nd Half: 4 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass In To Touch, 1 Forward Pass, 2 Kicks Out On The Full, 1 Tackled Into Touch.
= 13 Errors in Total
Timings of errors:
1st Half - 1, 5, 6, 14, 20, 23, 25, 29, 36, 39
2nd Half - 40, 45, 52, 55, 58, 58, 61, 63, 66, 71, 73, 77, 78
Twenty three (penalties/mistakes) too many?'"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Most boring RLfans post ever?
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Thank you. I aim to please. |
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Only playing fella, although I do wonder where these weird and wonderful stats come from? Do you compile them yourself?'"
I know.
These were all my own work on re-viewing the match on Sky.
Not sure where they sit with the Leeds Buderus - good, Leeds Diskin - bad or first half - good, second half - bad factions on here though.
There just looks to be too many being committed throughout the eighty minutes and it's a recurring theme. |
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| Quote ="tvoc"1st Half: 2 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass To Opposition, 1 Forward Pass, 1 Kick Out On The Full
= 10 Errors in Total
2nd Half: 4 - Penalties, 5 Knock Ons, 1 - Pass In To Touch, 1 Forward Pass, 2 Kicks Out On The Full, 1 Tackled Into Touch.
= 13 Errors in Total
Timings of errors:
1st Half - 1, 5, 6, 14, 20, 23, 25, 29, 36, 39
2nd Half - 40, 45, 52, 55, 58, 58, 61, 63, 66, 71, 73, 77, 78'"
I make that 14 errors in the second half, not 13. |
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| Quote ="FoxyRhino"I make that 14 errors in the second half, not 13.'"
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| Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
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Some games this year McGuire has been praised for playing his best ever rugby and being "the complete stand off", now he's the reason why Leeds didn't play well.
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