Fair enough David.

Smith got my continued support for the unheralded two championships he brought the club but whatever floats your boat I guess.

I finished my post with "whatever floats your boat" and you posted that picture.

I have to agree, yet it sounds like I am arguing.

Under Smith, (whom I have to respect because of the success he brought to Leeds) we tended to resort to the kick out wide to get over the try line. However, under Bluey we look like that we use more creative plays, off individual skills/players to get through the centre. Which I think let us down a little last night, players broke through the line but were not well supported. Creative yes, communication/set play no...

It was meant to be followed by a roundabout.

to be fair, Bluey has made some bad calls. Watkins played well & gets dropped, Ellis has neither the pace nor the agility to be a centre. Injuries such as Gibbo, Toopi, Ablett, Kirke etc. are unfortunate, while suspensions (Scrutons) are our fault, but something we can do nothing about. The only change i would have made to friday's lineup would be Watkins in for ellis at centre (Lauititi dropped to bench) and Smith for Hall. Other than that, there's little bluey can change. But if we have to go with a SR in the centres, Lauititi would be a much better pick than Ellis.

He's injured,and lets not forget he's only 17 you can't expect a lad who's learning the game to play every week i agree with the way bluey and the staff are nurturing him.P.s when watkins was taken out of the first team squad we had players returning i.e ablett who were more experienced in that position.

Do you know what? I'm not really bothered if it's perceived as hypocrisy because I know it's not meant as such. It's a genuine appreciation for where we are right now. I have criticised Smith before, but at the time I felt it was deserved, still do to some degree, but I now realise that it is impossible to play at the top of one's form permanently.

My opinion, and I'm just as entitled to one as you are, is that we are holding something back in the tank. Maybe we were doing that before, and I was less inclined to believe TS about it.

In the words of the Daily Mail Dylan, he's no son of mine.

I don't think we are holding something back,i just think it's our sticky part of the season.
There's still enough games and time to turn it around and i've every confidence we will

Bluey out!

It'll be interesting to see how Bluey's coaching skills are viewed after 3 or 4 seasons, as I think it's far too early in his tenure to judge him. He has IMHO, got off to a pretty decent start, with the team playing some of the best rugby seen at Headingley.

If injuries, and the consequent loss of matches are to be expected over a course of a season, surely, only the most paranoid of Rhinos believests would be criticizing the team or coach at this particular point in the Calendar?

The idea that any RL team goes into a match, happy in the knowledge that a supposedly pre planned slump and consequent loss of points is acceptable is hilarious.

Proof positive methinks, that sniffing glue and access to a keyboard is a bad mix.

Smith's overall record was impressive, and we thank him for that. However, in many minds he will always be remembered for the decsision to play a badly injured Senior at Cardiff in 2005. .

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that we are trying to have a pre-planned slump, more that we are trying to do less to win in an effort to save energy for when it really matters.

I'd agree that no team will take the field with the intention of losing (unless Sean Long says so of course........)

After 2 titles from 3 grand finals in 4 years, winning the league by 9 points in 04, and a wcc those minds you refer to must have been sniffing that glue then.

You are kidding aren't you. The first title in 32 years and people will remember smith for that. Jeez

Well, you never give up do you ? Dont you get fed up or embarrassed about making a dipstick of yourself .... over & over again.

You did not like Smith - Smith could not care less about people like you

Smith made a life for himself - you try to



Move on David .... & move so far on that we dont have to hear from you again ! Pathetic man

You soooooo fancy David, H.

And where exactly are we right now? Hypocrisy is not really a matter of perception. It's a failure to apply the same standards evenly.

Hang on. Are you saying the criticism Smith received during his similar slump last year was deserved despite him being ultimately proven right and proven able to do what you claim Bluey is trying to do, i.e. peak at the right time.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. Just as I am entitled to challenge it when you post it on a public forum. You were less inclined to believe a coach with a proven track record of winning the championship than you are Bluey. Which goes exactly the the root of my thread. Why? Why has Bluey got so much more leeway than a coach who proved he could win a title?

Nah, I'll remember him for Old Trafford 2004,2007.

Still you're probably right which says more about Leeds fans than it does about Smith.

agreed

Who says McClennan can't/won't win the championship? so in that respect it is too early to judge - he has won the one thing that has been completed this season the WCC.

How do you know that's the reason he didn't pick McDermott?
I for one think the more likely reason was the mare he had the previous week.

For me I will remember him for the GF in 2004 - the highlight of my Leeds supporting time - the GF in 2007. Unlike G1 I haven't forgotten the CC final of 2005 and the semi final of 2006 all four show Smith in his true light.

Not me.

I'll say it again. This thread is a discussion about the double standards of Leeds fans in their approach to Smith and Bluey. The thread is not having a go at Bluey or knee jerking as a result of losing three in a row with our 1st team.

I can't be bothered to reply to your whole post, I've too much to do before I go away in the morning, so I'll reply to the bit above.

If what you are saying is correct, then by extrapolation that would mean that no one can ever change their mind about anything without the "fear" of you calling them a hypocrite.

With this in mind, I wonder G, "have you ever changed your mind over anything?" If you have welcome to the Hypocrites club...........