Yep. It's like night and day. The real game breakers in that team (and there are four or five) are English. The quota spots are good/very good players but some are at the veteran stage. Now we are in the situation where we are casting around the NRL for players we hope are going to transform us, which is a risky and short term approach.

It's just all a bit sht isn't it and it seems to be copounded with the silence from the club. Like it's not happening. Now I know people clamour for a GH email, but lying in 9th with little to no recruitment activity and big questions about whether we can get out of this hole the club do need to communicate with it's major stakeholders, the supporters, as any business would.

Looking at the remaining fixtures I can’t see us winning at Hull and Catalan. The Wigan game also looks a likely loss . Be ironic if the cas game was crucial to cas staying up. They would certainly come with all guns blazing. So potentially we could finish well down the table, coming the season after a grand final appearance it’s diabolical.

RS approach just seems all over the place, from early season short kick offs, attacking high up the pitch, 'staying connected' when defending over line speed, no kick pressure to the very conservative predictable stuff yesterday with limited ball movement and offloads.

When we have got it right it's been somewhere in the middle. He just doesn't seem to know how he wants to play or experiments with approaches that then don't work and as a result we look schizophrenic.

And rather than matt shaw going with his more strongly worded pieces on leeds live about leeds' plight, how about actually putting some more searching questions to RS in these press conferences.

The scary thing is he was hands on running the RU side of things too by all accounts.

Didnt Caddick want to pump money in to the Yawnion etc and Gawwy said he could do better on a shoestring budget?
Because that worked out.

Gary Hethrington will NOT spend money full STOP! It just won't happen.

Turns out Sam Burgess was on the market as a head coach. It might turn out to haunt me but I would rather stick with RS…. I think

Burgess is there to kick - Long to do the coaching. The playing side at Warrington needs a shake up and the player power needs a resolution.

That would not be appropriate at Leeds - Leeds needs better recruitment, better youth system and better coaching.

All correct, absolute credit to Warrington they have taken a massive gamble. Personally I think it will be successful, as you rightly remark Burgess will be kicking backsides . He might start with the fullback who seems to go walk about whenever Catalan chipped the ball through.

Dufty, unlikely he would survive a regime of that nature. We have had some bad signings but he is as bad as it comes. A rude awakening for some of the players - the likes of Currie and Ratchford who have been cruising for years - stealing a wage - will see a FIFO culture - let's see if they can adapt.

I think burgess might do OK especially if he gets the right team around him. What he will have is the respect of players and especially the NRL ones. I suspect that there will be more significant NRL current players willing to take a phone call and discuss a contract offer with Sam Burgess than answer the phone to Gary!
It's a risk but no bigger than the one Leeds have taken with RS.

Its a shame Dufty seems to have come over for a mess about. He can be a really exciting player, which SL is short of.

Ive not seen a player look so disinterested for quite a while.

He just does not want to be here at all.

At last someone speaking some sense. Smith is not knowledgable enough or experienced enough to drive a team but he is good with individuals. I would bet you a £ to a dead rat that next year Warrington will turn things around under Burgess because he will earn players respect. Leeds need someone coaching who can demonstrate they know rugby league.
Smith lives under the shadow of his families reputation.

There's so many examples of this not working but... OK.

I actually think there’s a level of comparison to be had there. I think Smith would be fine with some experienced support around him, I think Burgess might do well if he is given some experience around him.

smith has his way and that's that. you could have wayne Bennett with him and he wouldn't change. it's his philosophy and it's his right to do it.

it doesn't work and the sooner he goes the better mind

It's a small sport. If reports of what Warrington were offering Holbrook are true then clearly money was no object to them - yet the best they could entice was Sam Burgess. It begs the question of who would actually be within reach to replace Smith.

Holbrook didn't want to leave Aus because his wife has a good job as well I think? If anything it could take a lot more money to entice coaches rather than players as they're more likely to have families at school and partners working etc.

If really pushed I think GH would go for JJB ,in house and had a stab at it once and did ok cheap as chips and familiar with fans covers all bases. Job done ✔️.

Maybe we would have a decent coach in Dave Furner if JJB hadn't gone whinging to Sinfield and GH ?

GH went cheap this time. How's that worked out?

I’ve never really understood what actually happened with all this!

I don't think Rohan has the respect of the team at all, players looking round seeing Leeming go, Sutcliffe, Walters going, Briscoe, Hardaker... yes, for reasons that may not correlate directly to Rohan, but I bet you a lot of them will be in a mental state of limbo wondering when / if they'll be called into a meeting with GH next. What's to say its not happening now with someone?

Defeats breed lack of confidence and shallow wins / playing pi$$ poor rugby and scraping a win that paper over cracks provide nothing to truly alleviate that confidence either.

There's a shopping list of personnel we need before 2024 and it starts with a new man at the top.

I would agree with that - shows the level of ambition the club had that they even gave him a short time in charge in the hope it would work.

After his treatment of Furner no wonder we can't attract a quality coach from down under. I would be seriously looking at Lee Briers - he could be a game changer.