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| Quote ="tvoc"Up to and including Round 17: SL Regular Rounds Top 4
1 - St Helens- Played 391, Won 285, Drawn 8, Lost 98, Pts For 12751, Pts Agst 7702, (Avg Score 33-20), Comp Points 576 (After Salary cap Deductions)
2 - Bradford - Played 391, Won 266, Drawn 12, Lost 113, Pts For 12041, Pts Agst 7673, (Avg Score 31-20), Comp Points 540 (After Salary cap Deductions)
3 - Leeds - Played 391, Won 264, Drawn 10, Lost 117, Pts For 11682, Pts Agst 7937, (Avg Score 30-20), Comp Points 538
4 - Wigan - Played 391, Won 260, Drawn 15, Lost 116, Pts For 11364, Pts Agst 7253, (Avg Score 29-19), Comp Points 529 (After Salary cap Deductions)'"
Time for a update:
Up to and including Round 20: SL Regular Rounds Top 4
1 - St Helens- Played 394, Won 287, Drawn 8, Lost 99, Pts For 12859, Pts Agst 7788, (Avg Score 33-20), Comp Points 580 (After Salary cap Deductions)
2 - Leeds - Played 394, Won 266, Drawn 10, Lost 118, Pts For 11773, Pts Agst 8023, (Avg Score 30-20), Comp Points 542
3 - Bradford - Played 394, Won 266, Drawn 12, Lost 116, Pts For 12113, Pts Agst 7769, (Avg Score 31-20), Comp Points 540 (After Salary cap Deductions)
4 - Wigan - Played 394, Won 262, Drawn 15, Lost 117, Pts For 11458, Pts Agst 7307, (Avg Score 29-19), Comp Points 533 (After Salary cap Deductions)
With St Helens, Leeds and Wigan all picking up 4 points from the 6 on offer (Bradford 3 defeats) since the top table was produced we now see Leeds (for the 1st time in the SL Era) move into 2nd place on the table using competition points to determine the order.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Time for a update:
Up to and including Round 20: SL Regular Rounds Top 4
1 - St Helens- Played 394, Won 287, Drawn 8, Lost 99, Pts For 12859, Pts Agst 7788, (Avg Score 33-20), Comp Points 580 (After Salary cap Deductions)
2 - Leeds - Played 394, Won 266, Drawn 10, Lost 118, Pts For 11773, Pts Agst 8023, (Avg Score 30-20), Comp Points 542
3 - Bradford - Played 394, Won 266, Drawn 12, Lost 116, Pts For 12113, Pts Agst 7769, (Avg Score 31-20), Comp Points 540 (After Salary cap Deductions)
4 - Wigan - Played 394, Won 262, Drawn 15, Lost 117, Pts For 11458, Pts Agst 7307, (Avg Score 29-19), Comp Points 533 (After Salary cap Deductions)
With St Helens, Leeds and Wigan all picking up 4 points from the 6 on offer (Bradford 3 defeats) since the top table was produced we now see Leeds (for the 1st time in the SL Era) move into 2nd place on the table using competition points to determine the order.'"
Still quite a gap to top spot isn't there
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"Still quite a gap to top spot isn't there'"
And it's widened so far this season but honestly who cares right now, Leeds are ahead of Bradford on the table for the first time in 15 seasons.
Now time to forge ahead, (overcome Bradford's Salary Cap points deduction) and remove any lingering doubts over the validity of the 2nd spot on the table.
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Next opponents - Hull KR
Leeds SL Era Record V Hull KR
All Comps: All Fixtures
Played 10, Won 8, Drawn 0, Lost 2, Pts For 269, Pts Agst 137 ..... Avg Scr (27-14) ..... 80%
All Comps: Craven Park:
Played 4, Won 3, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 93, Pts Agst 64 ..... Avg Scr (23-16) ..... 75%
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Leeds' Biggest Win: 44 - 4 (Headingley - 22nd Feb 2002 - Challenge Cup)
......................: 44 - 8 (Headingley - 18th September 2009 - SL Play-Offs)
Leeds' Biggest Win At Craven Park: 36 - 22 (25th April 2008 - SL Reg Rds)
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin: As above (Top)
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin At Craven Park: As Above (3rd Top)
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Hull KR's Biggest Win: 22 - 20 (Craven Park - 10th March 2007)
Hull KR's Biggest Win At Craven Park: (As Above)
Hull KR's Widest Winning Margin: 17 - 10 (Headingley - 19th March 2010 - SL Reg Rds)
Hull KR's Widest Winning Margin At Craven Park: As above (Top)
Brian McClennan's Leeds record V Hull KR: (All Comps)
Played 6, Won 5, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 153, Pts Agst 83, Avg Scr (26-14), 83%
Brian McClennan's Leeds have never lost on a visit to the city of Hull - 5 from 5
Justin Morgan's Hull KR record V Leeds: (All Comps)
Played 9, Won 2, Drawn 0, Lost 7, Pts For 133, Pts Agst 225, Avg Scr (15-25), 22%
(In addition to the above Justin Morgan was also the Toulouse coach in the CC-SF played on the 31st July 2005, which Leeds Won 56-1icon_cool.gif
Leeds W/D/L record V Hull KR in sequence:
W =#FF0000L W W W W W W W =#FF0000L
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| Danny McGuire's next Leeds Start will be his 200th for the club.
He will become the 6th Leeds player to reach the mark in the SL Era following:
1 - Keith Senior - 338
2 - Kevin Sinfield - 327
3 - Francis Cummins - 255
4 - Matt Diskin - 222
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Three Leeds players are closing in on their 100th Appearance for the club:
98 - Ian Kirke
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| McGuire's strike rate is superb. Interesting that he's played a few games less than Burrow. Did Burrow have half a season start on him?
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| As these are Starts rather than Appearances, McGuire made his full debut in the Away game at Widnes (22nd June 2002) which marked Burrow's 14th start. Using that yardstick they've almost exactly kept pace with each other since then.
Burrow also got the drop on McGuire having 12 Appearances under his wee belt before McGuire made his debut 6th July 2001. That accounts for some but not by any means all the additional 47 appearances Burrow has made for Leeds.
Rob Burrow: Pl 212 + 74 + 1 (NPS), Tries 126, Goals 147, D Goals 4, Points 802
Danny McGuire: Pl 199 + 40 + 2 (NPS), Tries 180, Goals 0, D Goals 2, Points 722
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| Those are amazing strike rates for half backs. I think both are under appreciated. This has been a golden period and surely they will be looked back upon one day with the same revereance as Hardisty and Hepworth, Shoebtoom, Holmes, Jones and all the other great halves the club has seen.
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| I think Danny has fewer appearances than Burrow due to some injuries around 2005-2006
Burrow was used as impact sub quite a lot too once established wheras once established Danny has pretty much started when fit
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| Quote ="G1"Those are amazing strike rates for half backs. I think both are under appreciated. This has been a golden period and surely they will be looked back upon one day with the same revereance as Hardisty and Hepworth, Shoebtoom, Holmes, Jones and all the other great halves the club has seen.'"
They should be.
I've always thought if they played for a Lancastrian club they'd get more of the credit they deserve.
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| Quote ="G1"Those are amazing strike rates for half backs. I think both are under appreciated. This has been a golden period and surely they will be looked back upon one day with the same revereance as Hardisty and Hepworth, Shoebtoom, Holmes, Jones and all the other great halves the club has seen.'"
Great half backs often appear in and make great partnerships. Jones/Stevenson, Shoebottom/Seabourne, Hardisty/Hepworth, Holmes/Dick, Schofield/? (I'm struggling with this one) and now McGuire/Burrow.
I never saw the first pair unfortunately but of those I have seen Shoebottom and Seabourne will always remain my favourites. One the whippet the other the terrier. And of the pairing Shoebottom will never be surpassed in my eyes and his loss from the game at 26 remains one of the all-time tragedies of Rugby League. As John Holmes once commented; [i"Mick Shoebottom was the best player I have ever seen. He was versatile, hard, had rare match-winning qualities and was an inspiration to everyone around him. Shoey was absolutely superb."[/i
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| Quote ="Money Mayweather"They should be.
I've always thought if they played for a Lancastrian club they'd get more of the credit they deserve.'"
I think there are a lot of players at Leeds who don't get the credit they deserve for whatever reason. And that includes by the Leeds fans!
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| Graham Holroyd to complete that Schofield pairing?
Was Dick actually outright first choice at Leeds for more than three or four years from 78 onwards? Can remember him playing against the Kiwis (1980?) but seem to remember him splitting a lot of time with Mark Conway after that...
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| I was looking for a half-back accomplice for John Holmes and the one that immediately came to mind was Kevin Dick, irrespective of the time they spent together in the roles, it's the partnership I associate.
Basically the Leeds scrum-half role post Keith Hepworth went to a combination of Peter Banner (signed from Featherstone) and a young Chris Sanderson as understudy. When Banner decided to emigrate to Australia it opened the way for Kevin Dick to emerge in support and potential challenger to Sanderson. With the tragic loss of Chris Sanderson at Salford in '77 Leeds brought in John 'Sammy' Sanderson to bridge the gap. Which he did in fine style until 1980/81 sharing the role with Dick. Ian Mackintosh then had a brief look in but like his twin brother (Andy) faded quite quickly from the Headingley scene leaving the way clear for Mark Conway to emerge.
Conway did so at 1st grade level during the 1982/83 season but Dick remained the more usual 1st choice at half back until the 1986/87 season where ironically having finally got the upper hand both Conway and Dick left for pastures new at Belle Vue and The Boulevard respectively.
Mark Conway's early Headingley career was a prime example of not what to do with promising young players as he would regularly turn out for the Colts, reserve grade and 1st grade over the course of a week.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I was looking for a half-back accomplice for John Holmes and the one that immediately came to mind was Kevin Dick, irrespective of the time they spent together in the roles, it's the partnership I associate.
'" So you were making things up to suit your proposition.
How very disingenuous.
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| Quote ="G1"So you were making things up to suit your proposition.
How very disingenuous.'"
As the proposition was that quality half-backs often also form quality half-back combinations then for Leeds Holmes and Dick (IMO) did just that and I'd also be extremely surprised if Holmes had another half-back partner as many times as he was paired with Kevin Dick. Unless anyone knows differently?
Still trying to think of a scrum-half to partner with the usually outstanding Schofield though and perhaps Harris and Sheridan deserved a mention also.
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| Quote ="tvoc"As the proposition was that quality half-backs often also form quality half-back combinations then for Leeds Holmes and Dick (IMO) did just that and I'd also be extremely surprised if Holmes had another half-back partner as many times as he was paired with Kevin Dick. Unless anyone knows differently?
Still trying to think of a scrum-half to partner with the usually outstanding Schofield though and perhaps Harris and Sheridan deserved a mention also.'"
Ray Ashton, Patrick Entat, Andy Gregory, Bobby Goulding would all have been around the time of Schoey, the pick of those would have been Gregory.
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| Quote ="finglas"Ray Ashton, Patrick Entat, Andy Gregory, Bobby Goulding would all have been around the time of Schoey, the pick of those would have been Gregory.'"
In his prime, perhaps, but that was long time gone when he joined Leeds.
Out of them, probably Entat was the most consistent.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"In his prime, perhaps, but that was long time gone when he joined Leeds.
Out of them, probably Entat was the most consistent.'"
Even at Leeds I would have put Gregory ahead of the others, i felt he was much better at dictating the play, would do the dirty work and took the pressure off Schoey allowing him the room to play wider.
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| Quote ="finglas"Even at Leeds I would have put Gregory ahead of the others, i felt he was much better at dictating the play, would do the dirty work and took the pressure off Schoey allowing him the room to play wider.'"
You might be right. Is there an opposite of 'Rose-coloured specs'? I just remember being very disapointed with him. There is a chance that my recollections may be coloured by the many years I spent shouting 'Aaaaaaandy Gregory is a w*nk*r' at him. He used to make me angry in my youth.
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| lewis jones played more at stand off at the latter end of his career at wembley in 1957 it was lendil- stevenson .Colin Evans is a scrum half who rarely gets a mention he had some great seasons partnering Jones especially in the 1960-61 championship season. Jones -Evans was a great half back pairing
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| The best of Schoey's partners was undoubtedly Goulding. Didn't he win Player of the year in his sole season?
Gregory in the Blue and Amber (or red and Black) was absolute gash. Entat couldn't oust Holroyd and Ashton was number 7 whilst Schoey was in the centres IIRC.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"You might be right. Is there an opposite of 'Rose-coloured specs'? I just remember being very disapointed with him. There is a chance that my recollections may be coloured by the many years I spent shouting 'Aaaaaaandy Gregory is a w*nk*r' at him. He used to make me angry in my youth.'"
Aye but when you look back with nostalgia and you remember the little barrel with thigh sized arms (always reminded me of popeye - in fact that might have been a (kind) nickname) who was always interviewed the family scrap yard where he worked the anger dissipates.
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| Quote ="G1"The best of Schoey's partners was undoubtedly Goulding. Didn't he win Player of the year in his sole season?
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What were Goulding's stats with us?
And does anyone want to be the first to repeat the heresay about why he left the club?
Didn't it involve Leslie Ash or something?
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"What were Goulding's stats with us?
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I like it.
Quote And does anyone want to be the first to repeat the heresay about why he left the club?'" There's no way I would allege he got into a fight with Dougie at a training camp whilst drunk then trashed Dougie's car after he was disciplined, allegedly. No siree, I won't be alleging that.
Quote Didn't it involve Leslie Ash or something?'" Did he punch her in the mouth causing that horrific trout pout?
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