Quote ="tvoc"That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.'" Again we come back to this lack of interpretation of the numbers - Leuluai seldom does more than 40 minutes in a game so if you divided his missed tackles into minutes played and then see how that compares to the likes of Jones Buchanan etc.

Quote ="tvoc"That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.'" Again we come back to this lack of interpretation of the numbers - Leuluai seldom does more than 40 minutes in a game so if you divided his missed tackles into minutes played and then see how that compares to the likes of Jones Buchanan etc.

Leuluai is there to provide punishing defence and with that comes a few that will miss their mark, that is the price you pay. When you're ready with your calculator don't forget to do the same exercise for Eastwood and Kirke who I imagine put in similar average game time to Leuluai last season.

What was your claim again?

I suppose you still believe your Wigan point also.

Agree re Wigan

Whether he is there for impact or not is irrelevant to how many tackles he misses or even doesn't get close which are excluded from the stats.

So from your stats he is still in the bottom 3 if you take into account time on the pitch - hardly going to cause other team mates to have to increase their workload due to him not being available - in fact should make their life easier?

The fact still remains the team has conceeded an average of >30 points a game that is a suitation that should give some concern as is difficult to score when you will spending so much time stood behind your own sticks?

Much of your post I could agree with, just some of it didn't stack up and you appeared quite adamant. You have a problem with Leuluai's defence, I know I've read your posts, it's not a view I share.

Just one problem Keith...

The other 4 clubs in SL all have an extra game to Leeds (because they played each other at the Magic Weekend, whereas Leeds played a Championship side in Bradford). Do you think the powers that be might take this into consideration??

Well spotted. Let's see if it makes a difference come the end of Keith's Super Super League season

If I'm honest, I'm actually pretty interested in seeing how Keith's SSL works out! (Obviously if our significant disadvantage is taken into consideration!)

So have i and i agree with you,i always said he was the wrong option for us and i've seen nowt to change my mind.

By the looks, TVOC is a bit of a stat man - i reckon 2001/2 was the last time Leeds finished below 4th???

i bet this season they will finish outside of top 5

So everyone slating me

Did Brian McDermott have the CV that warrents the Leeds Job of today??

Tony Smith did a ver good job with limited recources at Huddersfield and took over a Leeds side that wasnt reaching potential and not won anything for 5 years

his replacement was someone who upset all the odds and hammered the Australians with NZ - a coach who had least won something

Brian McDermott didnt do a good job on anyfront as far as i'm concerned at H'quins

I'm not being arrogant at the fact Leeds have had a good 5-6 years - just putting the point accross that a coach with a proven track record should have being appointed

Wow!!!! With such superior intuition and powers of deduction, the script writers of Sherlock must consult you an hourly basis!

Perhaps you can help me with my niece's homework... She has to find out what religion the Pope is, and where bears do their business. Any clues?

Yes, they are.



Do we [ireally[/i need to go through this again?

This topic makes me sad.

Leeds have finished outside the top 4 (at the conclusion of the Regular Rounds) three times in total during the SL Era.

10th - (1) - 1996
5th - (2) - 1997, 2001
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4th - (3) - 2000, 2002, 2010
3rd - (2) - 1999, 2006
2nd - (5) - 1998, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008
1st - (2) - 2004, 2009

Leeds' Average finish of 3.33 places them second behind St Helens (2.27) and ahead of Bradford (3.53) and Wigan (3.73)



I think you'll find that is impossible as according to some the 'Super Super League' only has five teams competing in it and Leeds (apparently) are still one of them at this stage, although that could change.

Been.

This topic makes me oh.

What topic doesn't?

The cheerleader thread on the Hull board. HTH.

It made me Oh. Normally followed by a couple more "ohhhhs" after

He doesn’t become an excellent coach overnight.

I still stand by a lot by what I’ve said on these boards in regards to Brian McDermott. However I’d like to congratulate him on changing things around this week. Your only as good as your last game and hopefully he can keep it up.

He's Leigh coach. Has been for a couple of seasons now I think.

And he's got a fit daughter.

Cheers for the pics