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| Quote ="W55ARE"What a load of rubbish - you must of put this on to get a reaction rather than you actually believing what you have just written.
When you leave the U19s nowadays 3 things can happen:
1, you get binned off because there is no room for you, or you are not good enough.
2, You go straight into the first team squad i.e first 17 (Stevie Ward) but this is in very exceptional cases.
3, You are identified as being good enough and have the potential to be a SL player but need further development as it is a massive step up. '"
You have just repeated almost what I said, in different wording. Point 3 is what Hunselt is for with regards the Rhinos.
The different wording you have used is that it is not just for development, it is to prove themselves going further.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Hunslet is for the also rans who have not done enough to prove themselves, but given another chance playing outside the clubs, or to gain match fitnes. It is not, and should never be, the next stage of development, when players are knocking on the first team door.'"
This is what you said. I read it as if you dont go into the first 17 after leaving the U19s your .
Nobody will go in to the first 17 regularly after leaving the U19s in the foreseeable future.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"This is what you said. I read it as if you dont go into the first 17 after leaving the U19s your poop.
Nobody will go in to the first 17 regularly after leaving the U19s in the foreseeable future.'"
No I didn't. I said just because you were going to Hunslet, doesn't mean you are better than the one's left in the under 19's. I further explained that going to Hunslet was because they had not proved themselves and could not stay at the club, as not good enough for first team and no other outlet, i.e. it was second chance to prove themselves.
Hunslet is not part of a players development. Just because someone is in the under 19's does not mean they are behind the Hunslet boys.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Hunslet is not part of a players development. Just because someone is in the under 19's does not mean they are behind the Hunslet boys.'"
I will agree to disagree
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| Ok I will say one last thing to prove my worth - In the Summer 9s this year, if there is one. The Hunslet Dual reg players will play for Rhinos and the rest will be made up of the U19s.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"Ok I will say one last thing to prove my worth - In the Summer 9s this year, if there is one. The Hunslet Dual reg players will play for Rhinos and the rest will be made up of the U19s.'"
And the difference to previous years of that is....?.......
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| Quote ="W55ARE"Unfortunately until they get a decent 6 and 7 and bin no.13 they won't progress.'"
Play without a loose-forward? Its a bold strategy Cotton...
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Not they wouldn't at all. Hunslet is for the also rans who have not done enough to prove themselves, but given another chance playing outside the clubs, or to gain match fitnes. It is not, and should never be, the next stage of development, when players are knocking on the first team door.'"
The next stage of development is EXACTLY what the Dual-Registation partnership should be.
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| Quote ="Wheels"The next stage of development is EXACTLY what the Dual-Registation partnership should be.'"
Not it shouldn't, and as no one is using it for that effect, it isn't.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Not it shouldn't, and as no one is using it for that effect, it isn't.'"
Yes it should. Hull and York are, so it is.
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| A greater danger IMV is that we could lose players to the NRL if their clubs come calling offering big bucks.
Then all the best succession planning goes out of the window.
What would happen if we lost Hall, Hardaker & Watkins to the NRL or worse still to the RFU?
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| I'd imagine from a Leeds business point of view they'd prefer it if the RFU came sniffing around rather than the NRL. I'd have thought it much better to have hard cash in contractual compensation than a hypothetically beneficially twinning arrangement that produces very little or at least very little on the face of it.
None of this has happened yet - perhaps it won't - but when players have left in the past the club have tended to give other players an opportunity and carry on being able to field a team at the weekend.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Not it shouldn't, and as no one is using it for that effect, it isn't.'"
that is how its been used. its a big step up from 19's to championship, just as its a big step up from championship to super league, its the natural progression.
There are a few players that will jump the dual reg step because they're ready & good enough at 16/17 to be playing super league, but most will go u16 > u19 > dual reg > first team. Just as in previous years they went u16 > u18 > u21 > first team, you argument is basically saying that in previous years anyone who was u18 would not play for the u21's they go straight into first team.
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| Quote ="MHL"that is how its been used. its a big step up from 19's to championship, just as its a big step up from championship to super league, its the natural progression.
There are a few players that will jump the dual reg step because they're ready & good enough at 16/17 to be playing super league, but most will go u16 > u19 > dual reg > first team. Just as in previous years they went u16 > u18 > u21 > first team, you argument is basically saying that in previous years anyone who was u18 would not play for the u21's they go straight into first team.'"
Gotcha - Gotcha.....well put MHL
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| Quote ="Wheels"Play without a loose-forward? Its a bold strategy Cotton...'"
From what I have seen of him he is a liability and they might be better not having a 13 on the pitch at all - metaphorically speaking of course.
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| From reading a story with Ryan Hall I don't think he'll be going anywhere. He was talking about adopting again once his little nipper has gotten older so it seems he wants to stay here for some time yet
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| The dual reg is the right idea. I am 18 and play rugby on a weekly basis. The step from playing at your own age and open age is massive....it will be a huge step for the likes of Watson, Sutcliffe etc to be playing against men on a weekly basis (at Hunslet) plus they are playing against seasoned professionals such as Jim Gannon, Sean Penywich (spelling) and also against recent SL players like Crossley, Briggs and Pryce which will only develop their game.
This is coming from a personal point of view. My own game developed when I played against a 40 odd year old Dean Sampson (he's at Fryston), still a powerhouse and is better than the Yorkshire Men's League but just watching him and playing against him can develop a player.
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| So if you read the YEP today it says that Briscoe is not joining Leeds - is that because we have signed Keiron Dixon? Maybe not on both accounts.
It looks like Mcdoughnut wants to keep his squad trimmed again for next season, still maybe only 22 players getting a look in.
He also talks about Bailey, Kirke and Vickery being out of contract at the end of the season. I think Bailey will sign again on his Pay-as-you-play contract of £500 a game, but I think Kirke will probably end up at Wakey/Cas and Moore will have to leave as he must be fed up by now.
He says Vickery needs game time and needs to go out on loan, as he cant get in the Hunslet side. Looks like the writing is on the wall there.
All in all - if they wanted any of the above they would have signed new contracts by now. There is a rule that after April other clubs can approach players. So if Leeds really wanted these then they would have been tied in by now.
So looks like we will have a couple of new props for next season then.
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| W55ARE-GH says clearly they hope to retain the whole squad including Kirke and Bailey and that they hope to get Vickery out on loan how do you get that we'll have a couple of new props for next year from that???
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| Quote ="W55ARE"He also talks about Bailey, Kirke and Vickery being out of contract at the end of the season. I think Bailey will sign again on his Pay-as-you-play contract of £500 a game, but I think Kirke will probably end up at Wakey/Cas and Moore will have to leave as he must be fed up by now.
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If you read it properly he said we wants to retain his squad, rather than sign other players.
So expect all of the above to keep where they are (expect Vickery who needs to get playing somewhere).
So no signing of Briscoe as they must be happy with the options that are serving us well at the moment (Hall, Watkins, BJB)
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| Kylie decided to stop on another year and signed a contract that week.
Why would GH wait until the window opens so these 3 can talk to other clubs. If he wanted them they would be tied in now.
Example: At the beginning of the season an Ozzy team were interested in signing Zak Hardaker. GH immediately got him in an extended his contract. So if they want to keep them then they would be signed up by now - or these players see their future is at another club next year and dont want to sign i.e Bosman ruling (if there is such a thing)
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| GH has often said that Leeds make their decisions on out of contract players at the end of the season, following a review with the coaching staff.
If another team expresses an interest in the meantime, they may look to tie the player up ahead of the end of the season, or give them permission to talk to them if they think the player would benefit from moving on.
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| Is Singleton OOC at the end of the year? His name wasn't listed in the YEP article the other day with our other OOC players, but I'm sure I've read on here he was OOC.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"GH has often said that Leeds make their decisions on out of contract players at the end of the season, following a review with the coaching staff.'"
That is if they remember who is out of contract or not.
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