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| Quote ="Maverick Rhino"tvoc will no doubt pop along with the stats on penalty counts, I've lost count again, suffice to say we are still losing the majority of penalty counts.'"
First half: Castleford 7 (consecutive) Leeds 2
Second half: Castleford 1 , Leeds 4
Exit poll data. Margin of error +/- 3%
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| One of best away days i have been on.
Rain was fantastic and to the lads who took there tops off Well Done to you.
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| Quote ="tvoc"First half: Castleford 7 (consecutive) Leeds 2
Second half: Castleford 1 , Leeds 4
Exit poll data. Margin of error +/- 3%'"
Another one lost then ... what's the ratio for the season so far? Not pretty reading I am sure.
It really is a key problem and the coach needs to get it fixed.
To be fair there appeared to be evidence at Huddersfield (I think) of a specific effort to eliminate dissent as all the players were making a point of accepting decisions calmly and quietly. That seems to have been a flash in the pan as its creeping back in; and tonight had a dissent penalty and McGuire waving his arms around and shouting at the referee.
It appears the team still need to remove the coaches emotion from their mindset when they cross the white line.
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| Leeds:
15 - 1st grade fixtures (All Comps)
Penalty Counts Won : 5
Penalty Counts Lost : 8
Penalty Counts Shared 2
Total Penalties For : 111
Total Penalties Against : 129
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| Quote ="G1"
Discipline is, frankly, becoming beyond a joke and if McLennan is unable to sort it our soon it will be the death of us. Mr Hetherington needs to have a serious word in the coaches ear about this failing especially as the coach himself identified it before the Saints cup game and seems incapable of doing anything about it.
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Discipline really does need sorting. I don't understand why it hasn't been by now. And you're right it will cost us big time if it isn't addressed soon.
On the telly the conditions looked atrocious - far worse than last years GF. Summer rugby
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| I fell asleep just before half time (was watching the reply) and from what I saw of him in the first half, I thought senior did well.
How are Burrow and Donald doing? Burrow looked in a lot of pain
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| We had inferior discipline and kicking game (why were we not hoisting the ball in the air at every opportunity?). Cas had far superior go-forward - they nearly always carried defenders forward after the tackle impact and won all the defensive collisions comprehensively. Once again we scrambled well, but I wonder what it would have been llike if it hadn't rained and Cas could have been able to move the ball around near our line?
Burgess is going backwards - poor ball retention, leaden defending - Bailey by plenty. Kylie looks so keen to get to ground to play the ball you barely need to tackle him, Diskin has caught Ray Wilkins disease and Sinfield is like a wet clound hanging over the team (what the feck is wrong with the guy? I've never seen such a miserable looking barsteward - smile you miserable sod!).
Not a night for backs - you can only really look bad in those conditions - so hard to criticise there - they all worked hard.
The players obviously have a strong work ethic and team spirit, and there is real quality in the squad, but not a lot else looks right at the moment.
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| as regards the penaltys we give too many stupid ones away.smiths choice to penalise webb for moving off the mark was petty and stupid. both teams did it all night. he marched us ten for dissent yet when he penalised cas sargent gave him a real gobfull and nothing was done.
pretty selective imo.
burgess is like thackery. takes the ball in well but his ball retention is shocking. he also was at fault for a try when chase,i think,went through him.
the will to win was supurb and i think senior is still the go to man and had a great fame.
being down to 14 very early on hit us hard,yes we could have done better, but the boys were magnificent and it was 2 good points.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"as regards the penaltys we give too many stupid ones away.smiths choice to penalise webb for moving off the mark was petty and stupid. both teams did it all night. he marched us ten for dissent yet when he penalised cas sargent gave him a real gobfull and nothing was done.
pretty selective imo.
burgess is like thackery. takes the ball in well but his ball retention is shocking. he also was at fault for a try when chase,i think,went through him.
the will to win was supurb and i think senior is still the go to man and had a great fame.
being down to 14 very early on hit us hard,yes we could have done better, but the boys were magnificent and it was 2 good points.'"
Pretty much agree with you mate.
Also it's worth noting imo that we haven't beaten cas at their place for years so it was a great 2 points!!
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| Quote ="Eurob0y"I fell asleep just before half time (was watching the reply) and from what I saw of him in the first half, I thought senior did well.
How are Burrow and Donald doing? Burrow looked in a lot of pain'"
According to good old Bill Arthur Donald had a sore jaw and tingling down 1 arm and Burrow had a dead leg. Neither were risked and IMO it was when Burrow went off that we looked the inferior side going forward. Still, was as good a game I have seen all year in the SL and I though on the whole the handling was good from both teams although it did get scrappy towards the end of the 2nd but can you blame them? Thats the worst rain i've seen since I was in KL a few years back.
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| I just hope having Diskin and Buderus on at the same time was purely because of injuries and not tactical, if it is supposed to be tactical it is more suited to an under 11's side.
Having 2 hookers on, one for each side of the field is completely amateur.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Pretty much agree with you mate.
Also it's worth noting imo that we haven't beaten cas at their place for years so it was a great 2 points!!'"
You've been listening to the sky team too much. The last 4 games at the jungle are P4 W2 L2.
It's no big deal.
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| Quote ="One True Saxon"You've been listening to the sky team too much. The last 4 games at the jungle are P4 W2 L2.
It's no big deal.'"
With cas not being in SL it seems a lot longer!!
Oh and do the think the bhouy's will win the spl danny???
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| Quote ="G1"Why on earth focus on what he could have done and not what he did do?
Aside from that you're right to criticise his awful knock on and his poor play for Dixon's try.
Not so sure McGuire was "immense" but won't criticise a half back in those conditions (though he was at fault for cas' first try with an awful ball from dummy half).
Burgess should be dropped for Bailey. Truly awful ball retention.
Discipline is, frankly, becoming beyond a joke and if McLennan is unable to sort it our soon it will be the death of us. Mr Hetherington needs to have a serious word in the coaches ear about this failing especially as the coach himself identified it before the Saints cup game and seems incapable of doing anything about it.
Pleased with the defensive effort but thought we were awful ball in hand. Though the conditions didn't help they didn't hinder Cas as much. Cas had a much better kicking game, by some distance.
Oh, and Shenton didn't look any great shakes up against Ablett but nonetheless he did ingratiate himself to me by handing us the win.'"
So Gareth McGuire scored two tries, saved two tries in the second half and made the play for the winning penalty - so how was his contribution less immense than either Sinfield or Peacock?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Oh and do the think the bhouy's will win the spl danny???'"
Yes.
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| Quote ="Maverick Rhino"To be fair there appeared to be evidence at Huddersfield (I think) of a specific effort to eliminate dissent as all the players were making a point of accepting decisions calmly and quietly. That seems to have been a flash in the pan as its creeping back in; and tonight had a dissent penalty and McGuire waving his arms around and shouting at the referee.
It appears the team still need to remove the coaches emotion from their mindset when they cross the white line.'"
I do agree that dissent has been an increasing Leeds problem but you have to be careful in defining what dissent is? Keith was pulled up for what appeared to be dissent, calling the ref on his decision he has made and he was clear on. On three occasions last night including the Danny appeal, the team did appeal very vigourously, and the ref consulted and agreed with two of those appeals.
I think, other than the Keith incident, what we had was players appealing and not offering dissent. Players should have the right to appeal, if they continue to be vocal after their initial appeal or question a ref after a decison has been finally made, this is dissent. I don't think Danny is guilty of anything but been passionate and of course correct in his appeal... it was a knock on and Smith asked the Touchy and he agreed!
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| I have just watched the recording of the the game again I cannot see what everyone is going on about Senior's performance he did nothing in the first half other than give a pass to Hall when all he had to do was keep running to score and one run apart in second half he contributed very little offensively at all.
A game of opinions that's for sure
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| Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."I just hope having Diskin and Buderus on at the same time was purely because of injuries and not tactical, if it is supposed to be tactical it is more suited to an under 11's side.
Having 2 hookers on, one for each side of the field is completely amateur.'"
I don't think McClennan had much option tbh - although it worked pretty well for Saints in the CC tie and the SL game so amateur is a bit harsh - could be Saints 2 hookers are a tad better than ours!!! Diskin's non attempt at a tackle on Ferres was embarrasing
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"I have just watched the recording of the the game again I cannot see what everyone is going on about Senior's performance he did nothing in the first half other than give a pass to Hall when all he had to do was keep running to score and one run apart in second half he contributed very little offensively at all.
A game of opinions that's for sure'"
Centres these days are expected to take drives up, as a "3rd 2nd rower", there is only Senior who can do this for us, Watkins, Smith & Gibson are currently not effective when we are taking the ball out of our half.
Our backs are to light weight, I believe this is the only area where we are weak against Saints, they don't have more pace in the back line - just more power.
If Senior wans't in the team I think we would struggle more against better teams, therefore we can't afford to leave him out. The hard yards he makes often go unnoticed.
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| I'm glad a game like that came during a month where the team have a relatively light schedule. A nice chance for them to recharge their batteries now, before the Hull game.
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| One more thing, our defence seemed pretty good in terms of Cas not being able to break the line but I thought Cas were making so much yardage compared to us. It seem whenever they got the ball around their own 20 they got out of their own half with ease, whereas Cas were able to keep us pinned in our own half countless times.
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| Yes, we were lucky to get the 2 points, but you play to the full 80 mins, so tough titty Cas!
Our discipline is a continuing problem, as is our woeful kicking. High kicks are another area that requires more time on the training ground, with Webb, Hall and Donald all guilty last night.
And let's not forget the 16 point lead that we squandered.
Respect to all the players for attempting to play rugby in the atrocious conditions, but I've a feeling the clock is ticking for Bluey, unless he quickly addresses our problems.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"Yes, we were lucky to get the 2 points, but you play to the full 80 mins, so tough titty Cas!
Our discipline is a continuing problem, as is our woeful kicking. High kicks are another area that requires more time on the training ground, with Webb, Hall and Donald all guilty last night.
And let's not forget the 16 point lead that we squandered.
Respect to all the players for attempting to play rugby in the atrocious conditions, but I've a feeling the clock is ticking for Bluey, unless he quickly addresses our problems.'"
Yes, gave away a 16 point lead against a side that made it past lower league opposition with a golden point last week in the CC.
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| hey guys, this is the one game cas will give everything for. they battered us,we only had 2 replacements for most of the game and still came away with the points.what do you want blood?
the forwards hardly got a rest because ablett had to play in the centres so it's no wonder they tired in those conditions
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