So after around 6 games at 9 for Jarrod and 27 minutes at 9 for CJ you’ve decided they’re not good enough.. WOW

Listening to Smith's presser after the Cats game he more or less said Dwyer wont be here next year

Sorry you disagree, but put the Kleenex back on the box over “CJ” obviously a fan boy who cannot accept he’s not the super star in waiting you think he is. Hope he goes well at York or Bradford because thats his level.

Go I think, he’s had his time and whilst there are positives to his game, there are also significant negatives for the team too. It’s time for the next generation to have a chance,

Oh I see school is out, you obviously have a beef from a previous life with him, enjoy the 6 week holiday

Go. He's been a good servant to the club and single-handedly won us some tricky games in hard times. That said, his off the cuff style is too high risk to pay dividends every week, and in the meantime we need someone with much better distribution from DH. Our outside backs have been starved of possession too long - any wonder our attack was so bad under Agar? Not Dwyer's fault alone but we need a proper 9 on the field for 80 mins.

I'm happy for Dwyer to leave but I am concerned that O'Connor and Johnson are currently unproven. If Leeming breaks his leg the first match of next season then we are left with some very unproven hookers. Of course, either or both players could turn out to be future stars for hookers at Leeds, albeit equally they could turn out to be very average.

I think that’s why it’s important one or both of them get as many minutes as possible for the rest of this year.

This will he stay or go may be academic, the club would probably offer him only a one year deal and the player would want 2 to 3 years and I think he would get that elsewhere .I think he would reject a one year deal

Dwyer would be playing short minutes if he stays and Leeming is fit. That's assuming he even gets in the squad. I doubt very much Dwyer would want to play that role.

With small squads we can't afford to have too many players for one position who aren't playing. O'Connor and Johnson might not be as good as Dwyer yet, but both have time to learn, and can both play other roles that mean they're more valuable to the squad. Johnson looks like he'll be groomed as a hooker/halfback and O'Connor can play 13.

Anyway this is all moot. Smith will have watched umpteen videos of Dwyer in headless chicken mode and seen it first hand live, and made a call that he wasn't going to be offered a contract. Hopefully the era of retaining players because they are good lads or occasionally play well when the rest of the team is in form are over.

Looks like he's on his way to FC. As good as his running game was for you last night, his distribution was a bit iffy at times, but that sounds like what you get from him....

That's exactly what you get with him.
He's a very useful impact player, but his distribution from DH is awful.
I'm sure he'll do well and will be popular for a while.
But when things are going against you, he will very quickly become a target.

To be fair, we get slow distribution from Houghton now without the running game so he might be an improvement.

The club has got big hopes for Denive Balmforth so he'll help bridge the gap till he's ready I guess

That is almost any of our players. If we had 13 Ellery Hanley's we'd be scapegoating them on a weekly basis.

Confirmed as a Hull FC player tonight

Oddly they also announced that they’ve extended Houghton and Lovodua, I suppose the latter can play loose forward but seems a bit odd when Dwyer has presumably gone for game time.

Dwyers gone because he's not been offered a contract, I presume his role will be pretty similar off the bench as at leeds.

doing what he feels like?

Amazing how differently he's viewed on the Farcebook groups etc.

He always puts in the effort, so I assume it looks good to them?

Love Brett Hodgson's quote on signing Dwyer and extending Houghton. Says it all.
"He can be a good foil for someone like Houghton who delivers real quality and consistency in his defensive work and distribution, whilst Brad can bring pace and flair"
In other words, Dwyer does not bring consistency in his defence and distribution.....

Facebook groups are a different breed! Apparently Marty’s on there all time now……can’t quite believe it!

It emphasises how little people understand in terms of what is actually needed to be a good 9.

A bit of flash and some dogged defence is enough for those that don’t understand how a 9 effects the timing of the rest of your attack. And that’s not to say Dwyer always messes it up, but his inconsistency has, for me, become as infuriating as his lack of decision making. I suppose what I mean by that is if he played the same as the other week when he started I could have seen him still being here.

I’d also add Dwyer going is also a fair reflection of how far O’Connor has developed in that role.

Just a one year deal I thought it would be more

can't say anything against dwyer , martin or zak on there

for me dwyer should have been short term as should thompson and donaldson ,

nothing particularly against martin just more solid than spectacular for overseas alongside defensive bentley, hopeful gannon can be aggressive and pacey

zak was a neccessity and doing well i just wouldn't have had him back after previously wanting out ,very few players have had 2 spells with us