he probably should not play again this year, that was a bad one, clear intent, anybody played the game at any level know that you don't tackle like that unless your trying to hit the opponent

For any of the brave souls who went to Widnes on Sunday - is it too fanciful to think that Widnes might have a chance of winning in Toronto? That would be a good bonus for us.

It would. They know only 3 wins now will get them into them into mpg

Of all our forwards only Parcel (26 including Melbourne) and Singleton (23 including Melbourne) have been selected more times than Oledski 22).

Smith has played 16 times but only been picked by Sinfield twice.

If my maths is correct, Leeds could win the next two and lose against Toronto and still not secure an automatic SL spot, however, they could lose the next two and beat Toronto and secure a SL spot. It would come down to points difference on each occasion.

Unless Toronto lose one of the next two then it will likely make our final game against Toronto the big fixture for SL safety regardless of how we do in the next 2 matches.

We currently have a fairly healthy points difference but we really need to put Halifax to the sword to keep that intact.

Us winning the next 2 would mean we would be on the same points as Salford (if they win the game after us) and the same points as Hull KR if they win their next 2 , Toronto and Hull KR will have to rack up some points in those games as well

It's unlikely Toronto will lose to Toulouse though. 10 points or 2 wins and we are safe. 8 points and lose to Toronto then it's MPG against London for us

It would be interesting to know how many minutes Smith has played in those 16 games.

Listen to yourselves Toronto are crap.

Leeds are crap too.

You're not from round these parts are you...

For your information i have been a Leeds supporter since 1954 and still attend most home and away games.

For your information i have been a Leeds supporter since 1954 and still attend most home and away games.

I meant it as a joke, I hope you are not offended.

I think most of us who post on here understand that Toronto are crap, it's just that we are too.

well in 2 weeks time we will have the answer as to who IS Crap champion!

I reckon it is 602 minutes which is more than Walters, Oledski, Mullally, Garbutt, Dwyer, Keinhorst, Ormandroyd and Peteru.

Sinfield only played him for 18 minutes and Walters for 8 against Widnes.

This reminds me of a chant from the South Stand during our amazing 1996 (?) season. Towards the end of a rare victory, against Workington (iirc), “we’re 5h1t, but you’re worse than us”

Precisely my point - Smith needs to start and play big minutes - he cannot contribute less than Brett Ferres or be more ineffective than JJB its not possible.

To be fair, even a few short years ago the crowd used to turn on the players a hell of a lot more than the grumbling that's gone on this year.

Salford (8 +112) - London A, Toulouse H.
Leeds (8 +52) - Halifax A, Toronto H.
Hull KR (8 +16) - Toulouse A, Widnes H.
Toronto (6 +9) - Widnes H, Leeds A.
Toulouse (4 -11) - Hull KR H, Salford A.
London (4 -13) - Salford H, Halifax H.
Widnes (2 -43) - Toronto A, Hull KR A.

I think that’s pretty much how it will stay although the Salford London game could be interesting, I think we’ll beat Halifax but not by a huge amount which with our points difference should see us safe then we can just forget about this nightmare of a season.

I will add I really wanted Toronto to come up to Super League but I really don’t like with how they play, it could be me but they seem to play with a misplaced arrogance but without the skill to back it up, whereas Tolouse and London are a joy to watch so I’m hoping one of those make it up

I know what you mean re Toronto, I don’t think there’s any coincidence that Leigh used to play in a similar manner.

Widnes are down, I can’t see them winning either of their last 2 games. The top 3 will stay the top 3, the next 3 will be remarkably close. If I had to guess I’d say London will miss out on the MPG but I could be wrong. Obviously home advantage in the MPG is always a benefit but this year it’s magnified with the teams involved. All 3 of London, Toronto and Toulouse would benefit hugely from being at home in that game, so it makes 4th place massively important.

i can see widnes beating toronto but it wont be enuff to get into the million pound game

Unless Salford and Hull KR throw their games on the Sunday v Toulouse & Widnes knowing that Leeds have beaten Toronto and they could potentially knock Toronto out. The joys of playing two days early.

Could see London, Toulouse, Toronto and Widnes all on six points and down to points difference for the MPG.

That combined with a Leeds win at Fax, would see us safe, and start the string of announcements.