Watkins looks like a player that needs a fresh start whether that is under a new coach with us or somewhere else i don't know but he looks a shadow at the moment.must be wishing he was playing in that cas set up right now like his old pal Hardaker who looks a world beater again.

What's happened to Ryan hall? Looks massively overweight and was hardly in the game. Fwiw, I think a few sides will get a pasting from that cas side they were as impressive going forward as they were defending.

30 odd years ago I saw Leeds murdered by just under 60 points by Queensland. They were light years ahead and tonight was similar. Back then Leeds had an awful side.

However, Queensland had the greatest ball playing stand off of all time playing for them . Cas had McShane and some other relative journeymen.

That was abysmal and if nothing else McD should go for the utter tripe he has spouted in the press conference. Leeds were never in that game, I think he has lost them.

Watkins looks on his knees and sadly Danny McGuire has gone. He has been great but when your legs have gone they don't come back.

Cas were very good, however they could afford to play at full tilt because they knew Leeds could not hurt them if they made a mistake. Cas have more tests to come, namely Wigan and wire in big games. They play great stuff but it is not easy to do that in a big game against a fit, strong side like Wigan. For Leeds it could be Hull KR.

This year is going to be one long, grim slog. GH needs to get segeyaro gone and get some players in.

Won a couple actually from our holidays down in NL1, had a great time too and even had a day out in sunny Blackpool.

Sure another trophy will come at some point and until then we'll happily just keep playing the way we are.

Great response to a stupid thread.

Cas was fantastic tonight. Playing rugby league how it should be played. Fast, open and entertaining. Well done.

There's no doubting his work rate, and he does punch above his weight in defence, but he isn't a physical enough ball carrier IMO.

1986 CC actually , Regal Trophy 1994.
Try and get your facts right because it does make you look a fool...fool

At least Phil Clarke had his happiest night ever, at one point he was quite delirious with excitement at our demise.

I imagine a number of posters on here are also quite happy with the score line.

Not many of them, vast majority are the complete opposite because want Leeds to win, play well, be competitive all the way down the spectrum to be able to make a single break in the game. Think first one was moon going in at the corner, if you could call it a break.

Here we go!
Ok i'll bite.
Why would any Leeds fan be genuinely happy with that scoreline?

Talking to a cas fan on the way out and he said he's always respected what we've achieved and thought we'd come through the tough times, but after tonight he thinks we're in trouble. We're completely rudderless on and off the field. McDermott can talk about Cas being white hot but it's because they're coached. All we have is drive drive drive. Can't see a way out with this coaching set up but who could we bring in at this point in time. There's times you get a spanking and it's a bad night, times the oppo are just on fire and there's times because you're not in the same class. Ton8ght is the latter. Squad wise were not far away but tactically we're championship.

Disappointed to see so many folks on here bagging the backs once again.
When yr forwards are so comprehensively beaten yr done. Wally Lewis, ET, whoever would have lost that match in big numbers too.
This loss was about confidence v nervousness. Bravery v fear.
Ultimately that's a management issue. Mc can turn it around but due to last yr it might take 'too long'.
A new coach might get the (same) response sooner.
But please ... Don't ever blame the backs (exclusively) for a match lost in the middle and in the stands.

Btw chill. In 6-8 weeks Cas will be less good and Leeds will be better.
Maybe not good enough mind.

McDermott showed zero sign of 'turning it around' last year until Segeyaro arrived. Based on last year, what evidence is there that he has the capability to turn it around with the existing squad.

We won our two previous games before Segeyaro and only conceded 6 points in those games so people saying it was only Segeyaro is nonsense. Damn right it helped make things easier but there were signs beforehand.

Signs way after the season was over in terms of competing. Do you want us to wait until the middle 8s are upon us to turn it around again?

you really are grasping at straws now

A really bad one as well. We were the worst team in Super League before his arrival. He saved them from relegation, and we still never learn.

I couldn't care less what was said before, who is right or wrong, just everyone move on and accept what is in front of our eyes, the club is poorly managed from an on field point of view, which if not careful or maybe even is, will move to the off field very soon if not sorted.

We can not get out of it by persisting with the current set up.

Hetherington must take his share of the flak too. his recruitment has been awful.
the squad is full of championship standard players.

Agreed, and I think its unfair that BM gets all the stick. We just came off just about our worst season ever, and our "recruitment" consists of just about replacing one of our better players, plus two project Championship lads.

The only rationale for recruitment I can think of is that GH, BM etc all bought into the excuses for last year, combined with the hope that McGuire (in particular) would come back to his best and one or more kids would develop enormously. Without some very odd reasoning the lack of at least starting the rebuilding by bringing in a couple of quality players just defies belief..

don' think anyone was expecting something as strange as last night

Why he started lilley on the bench i dont know, every week the halves get switched around during the game. For a team so badly lacking structure they need some consistency in that area. Lilley and mcguire should have started 6&7 with Sutcliffe BR, Walters is beyond average

Well, I arrived in York teatime, left the missus and headed over to Castleford without prebooking a ticket and hoped there was a pay at the gate.

I made it to the ground in time, there was a pay at gate. Got my pint, and I was buzzing for the game. Jeezo, that was as miserable a performance as anybody could have ever seen. I was gutted, so left when they racked up 50. After watching that I wish id never gone. It left me traumatised!

Been a crap couple of weeks. My 2 loves Hearts ( season ticket holder), and the Rhinos have both bent over and took it up the farter! Hearts are murder right now, so was hoping seeing the Rhinos in the flesh for the 3rd time would make up for Hearts being pish.

But no, right now they are both murder. Hopefully pop down to Headingley again later in the year, it cant get any worse that that. (Lets hope no anyway!)

I travelled to Castleford last night expecting a best case scenario loss by a 20 point margin. Should have adjusted my weekly tip accordingly. When I was inside the ground and heard the team line-up (the forwards and bench options in particular) I was expecting a 40 to 50 point hammering.

What I wasn't expecting was a performance which stunk to such a degree. There was little appetite among the players for the game last night for reasons which point directly towards the coach himself. In the absence of any game plan or strategy, the very least he should achieve is to motivate the team sufficiently to show some interest and give it a dig.

The highlight was my nephew pointing at Mullally when he'd just come on and opining how that donkey gets a game in a Leeds shirt. Ten seconds later he's the beneficiary of a rather spawny try



So much for the opinion from one particular individual last week that Leeds had sorted out their defence during an untroubled off season of planning and preparation with just the attack to work on to get back to 2015 standards.

With more players out & a weaker squad last year Cas did ok. It's an attitude thing now at Leeds & that is down to the coach.