Nothing to do with insecurity. Nothing to do with how good Amor is/isn't. And it's certainly nothing to do with Paul King!? (

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He's our player, and even if it only gives you 0.1% more of an advantage, it's 0.1% of an advantage that you simply do not need to have.

I feel your pain.

Hopefully Lee's hamstring will have cleared up enough (that's if G1 hasn't eaten it) to get him back out on the pitch where his enthusiasm has been sorely missed.




Not only is it perfectly reasonable it's a clause that other SL clubs have inserted and invoked in loan agreements in the recent past, IIRC.

That said I've never particularly agreed with them doing so and still wouldn't in this case.

When I started watching Leeds and for many years after, players who Leeds couldn't get a decent game out of for years would go to other clubs and produce the goods against us (maybe nobody else, but definately against us). The last decade or so it's been the other way around, and Leeds got the best out of players and other clubs got scraps.
Are we really getting back to the days when a player we sign over a year ago who can't get a game at Leeds despite our worst injury period in recent memory, is going to actually perform like a World beater against us and send us crashing to defeat? Is that where we are? Unable to get even a half decent display from players unless they are playing against us?

That is a massive issue for you guys in itself.

Forget Amor, and forget how good he is/isn't, and forget whether or not he'd get into the Leeds team, and forget the GAME of Rugby in general.

Leeds Rugby Ltd is a business. A business' sole purpose is to make money.

Imagine for a second that you run a company supplying Teddy Bears. You're doing pretty well, winning the prestigious "Teddy Manufacturer of the Year" award for 3 years in a row! Anyway, you're massively overstaffed, but don't really want to sack someone cos Jim is close to retirement.

The Teddy Bear company down the road (who's not doing so well, and are about to have to close down!) says... "We're really short staffed, and struggling to fulfil orders can we borrow Mark, and not only will we pay his wage, we'll also give you a bit of cash to say thanks!". You'd think to yourself, well, Mark is only really sweeping the floors here, it would be good if he got to actually make a few Teddies before Jim retires, and the cash would help! Sure... off you go Mark!.

Then... Disney call... It's a big order!! "We need a company who's able to supply us with 10,000 Teddies."

Now, as a businessman, you know the little factory down the road cannot possibly even begin to compete with you to win that order, after all, you won "Teddy Manufacturer of the Year" in '07, '08 & '09, and they've won nothing!

BUT...

What if, even though you're bigger, and better, and still had the capability to supply the 10,000 teddies, during the production a machine gets a fault, then you have a power cut, and Jim's dog dies so his mind isn't on the job, then the van gets a flat tyre, and the stuffing you've ordered isn't what it was supposed to be and through no real fault of your own the rival company wins the Disney contract.

Would Mark have made any difference to any of that? No, he wouldn't have fixed the machine, or stopped a power cut, or saved Jim's dog, or repaired the tyre, in fact, he'd probably be still just sweeping your floors, but because they had that extra pair of hands that just made them that little bit more able to compete. Just having what you considered "only a floor sweeper" to help them pack a few boxes, meant the could just about muster the 10,000 teddies together in time to compete with your big arrogant corporation. Gutted.

You know full well I meant Matty & not Lee!! But I'll give you that one.



Just in case the Rugby God's are reading this... I heard that Lee Smith said all Rugby Gods' are wan*ers, and that he'd had all their mums, and that they were all crap.

A lovely story and everything, but it's Kyle Amor. Have you lost sight of what we're talking about here?? Kyle Amor. It's hardly a season defining decision. Let him play. We're talking about people here as well as businesses and teams. To deny Amor the opportunity to play in what is probably a big game for him would be petty, just on the basis that we're nervous about whether we're good enough to beat Wakefield.

Oh I know, and I agree in the most part, and I'm sure you're right, and this isn't about "Amor" as I've said before.

I just don't think it matters who it is, there should be a blanket non-competition clause in all loan agreements.

How is he your player, you chose to loan him out we didn't make you, thus whilst he is on loan he is ours. Don't loan players out if you don't want to follow the rules. Or don't stockpile players you either can't or won't use.

What you are basically saying is that Leeds should buy more players than they need and if they don't need them just let them rot in the reserves. Assuming Hetherington has a somewhat more open mind I assume he won't think like that in which case you're always likely to come up against either players you have loaned out or sold. That's how RL works.

As for your percentages thing, come on that's what RL is all about - it's what makes it fun and a bit unpredictable. Also what happens if Amor has a stinker but the player that would of taken his place has the game of his life - how does that stack up?

Yes there are limitations to the loan system, it's not perfect - but you're either in it or you are not - you can't use it when it suits you

I am sure people will put me straight but with the loan system I think players cannot be recalled within the first month. If we did as suggested and called him back then re loan him the following week would the month no recall start again?

In the 9 years or so I've been lurking on this forum, this is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever read

Saying that, I do appreciate the effort you've put into this posting (and many others), so I doth my cap in your direction.

I think your point is bonkers and pretty incidental with regards to Leeds' success/failure this coming season, so why I'm biting on this for a 3rd time, I don't know?!

So with that, I'm out

"Teddy Manufacturer of the Year"











You could have chosen a Supermarket....an Electricians...plumbers - any day to day business but instead you choose a teddy bear manufacturers PMSL.



Remarkable indeed.


Back onto the subject I don't know what the fuss is all about. I'm happy he is playing for Wakefield and I'm happy we will see him tested against a good pack. If Leeds lose to Wakefield it will not be because Amor was playing against us...on paper Leeds should put 40 past Wakefield so if we lose it will be nobodys fault apart from the Leeds matchday squad.

in football it's in the laws a player cannot play against his parent club. if this was brought in it would end all debate.
i mean, 3 pages of this bollox

Incorrect use of apostrophes been (sic) mine, in point of fact totally unnecessary use in the above instance.

I like you Remarkable Rhino (and I agree with you)....but OMG ...where do you find time for this ?

Aaaaargghh !

I hang my head in shame. Apologie's to Achilles

Whatever the rights or wrongs, I'm looking forward to seeing him against us. To see what he can produce.

There may be more fuel on this fire if he punches holes all over Kirke and Cross.

It was longer than that to start with. I chopped a whole section out and culled the rest down to save myself the ridicule.





Don't tell anyone!

I reckon Kirke has information on major skeletons in GH's cupboard....and shared it with Buderus so he could blackmail same said CEO into bringing his mate Cross over.

What other explanation can there be for favouring these two over Ambler and Amor ? ?

Not sure your devious plan worked.

For someone who had a busy week lined up I never (not even in my wildest dreams) imagined it would involve a complex thesis on 'The Principals Of Teddybear Manufacture In The 21st Century.'

I have actually had a busy week. I type & think (or not as the case may be!) fast.

Couldn't even begin to tell you how much is going on at the moment. I'm actually using this forum as a bit of a release at the moment. Hence my posts being EVEN MORE lengthy and incomprehensible than normal!

Why don't you just 'release' in the most natural form? Instead of tapping away on here start.............

Why exacly was Amor loaned out, im guessing to gain SL expierence ? he was given the blessing of BM to play against Leeds in his words" i would like to see him play a good team" and we are a good team, Surely if we have the blessing of BM and GH and we are paying his wages we are entitled to play him ???? or do leeds have the right to tell JK when to play him ??

So, for those at the game today and, to keep everyone else happy, our radio experts

how did Amor do?

Would he improve our pack or did he not look to have kicked on from last year's below par efforts?

He looked more comfortable than he did when 1st appeared for us mate ,ran it in hard and did'nt look out of place but our pack handled him so i'd happily leave him there for more SL experience.