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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I do wonder whether Davey would go through it again if Hudds do get relegated which would be a shame because they have come miles from where they were and i think it would be undone pretty quickly in the championship. I think HKR are at danger of that too, fans have stuck with them this year but i dont think they will next year and the year after.
Saying that, Hudds havent been that bad. Todays result is a bit of an embarrassment but they only lost by 2 v wire, 7 v Les Catalans, drew with Saints, drew with Wigan. [uWell capable of turning it round[/u.'"
I disagree. only 1/2 quality players and the rest are bang average
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| Quote ="tad rhino"I disagree. only 1/2 quality players and the rest are bang average'"
Two of their better ones in Cudjoe and Taai are rumoured to be out injured for a while too as well as one of their Aussie recruits Tom Symonds.
If they are in SL in 2018 I think they should consider moving on Brough at the end of this year and finding someone else to partner Gaskell (who has sounded like he's done ok there). Brough will be 35 before the 2018 season starts and his petulance continues as he has less impact on games. Move him on and start a fresh.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Two of their better ones in Cudjoe and Taai are rumoured to be out injured for a while too as well as one of their Aussie recruits Tom Symonds.
If they are in SL in 2018 I think they should consider moving on Brough at the end of this year and finding someone else to partner Gaskell (who has sounded like he's done ok there). Brough will be 35 before the 2018 season starts and his petulance continues as he has less impact on games. Move him on and start a fresh.'"
If Gaskell has been playing stand off, then for me thats the reason why they are where they are. Much the same as us last season, playing the Gaskell clone in the halfs. It doesn't work, neither are halfs.
Good teams, teams challenging at the top have good halfs working consistently. We changed our fortunes by our change to the halfs. Cas have good halfs, Wigan have good halfs. Warrington have changed their season around on bringing Patton back in the side. Saints struggle because they have no stand off and are playing the out of position Wilkin there too much.
Teams need to realise how important it is not to put square pegs in round holes. Players may well be decent players, but they can not just slot into any position and hope the team works with it.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"If Gaskell has been playing stand off, then for me thats the reason why they are where they are. Much the same as us last season, playing the Gaskell clone in the halfs. It doesn't work, neither are halfs .'"
He only moved started playing at HB since the Wigan away game that they drew, and also managed a draw away to Saints. In losses at home to ourselves and Catalans his HB partner got himself sinbinned in both at crucial times. The latter seems more the problem than former.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"If Gaskell has been playing stand off, then for me thats the reason why they are where they are. Much the same as us last season, playing the Gaskell clone in the halfs. It doesn't work, neither are halfs.
Good teams, teams challenging at the top have good halfs working consistently. We changed our fortunes by our change to the halfs. Cas have good halfs, Wigan have good halfs. Warrington have changed their season around on bringing Patton back in the side. Saints struggle because they have no stand off and are playing the out of position Wilkin there too much.
Teams need to realise how important it is not to put square pegs in round holes. Players may well be decent players, but they can not just slot into any position and hope the team works with it.'"
Like playing a centre in the halves?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Like playing a centre in the halves?'"
No, playing someone capable of the postion.
In our case, it's been a massive plus, as capable.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Like playing a centre in the halves?'"
yes coz no centre ever switched to stand off successfully did they, (schofield lauire Daley, Brad Fittler and the rest)
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Think Huddersfield's woes also show you should be careful when thinking Aussie coaches will be the solution. For every Michael Maguire or Nathan Brown you can get a Craig Sandercock or Rick Stone.'"
True enough. Though while there's clearly been coaching issues, Hudd's demise can be traced back almost directly to that Ryan Hall try. Until then they were still a top side.
Wonder where they'd be now had they won/drawn that game?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"No, playing someone capable of the postion.
In our case, it's been a massive plus, as capable.'"
I agree with you and also with your previous comment about the challenging teams consistently having a decent half back. Last season other sides suffered with injuries but being able to play an organiser at half back was often the difference between a win or a lose for them which we were unable to replicate. Gale at Cas makes average players look outstanding and without him they are nothing like as good.
Moon may not be the complete halfback but he is such a good all round player and has been our most effective centre for some time and is currently our best 6. He has been a major factor in a dramatic improvement in our attack which has turned our season around. He has assisted a return to form for both McGuire and Watkins by creating space and putting defences in two minds.
Quite why anyone wants to risk moving him I do not understand.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Quite why anyone wants to risk moving him I do not understand.'"
I'd be loath to moving him, so hopefully we get some backs returning this week like Golding, Sutcliffe & Briscoe otherwise it's hard not to return him to centre otherwise.
Like you said he's not the complete HB, far from it actually. But he's unpredictable and that's difficult for an opposition to plan for and suits how we like to play.
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"If the Giants do go down then i think that they could be finished as IMO Ken Davy seems to have given up on his ambitions for the club and tbh their crowds never really reached any great numbers when they were relatively successful,so maybe he has finally called it a day with his financial outlays
Moving forward could the Giants take the option to sell out and revive under an out of town franchise?
Would Ken Davy take the money and run?
I would be seriously worried if I was a Giants fan at this present time'"
ken davy hasnt given up, never under estimate the man, he has put more money into the giants this season than ever, he recently said that in a letter in the local paper.
our downfall is the guy working under him ... mr thewlis who seems to make all the decisions and been getting so much wrong
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| McIntosh likely to be banned for this one, no EGP available to him.
Does that mean Murphy will come in to replace him?
Any Rhinos injury news, players coming back?
Parcell obviously since he was rested for the cup game.
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| i'd prefer to keep moon in the halves but if needs must one game back at centre won't harm. lilley was pretty good on friday
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| Moon has been outstanding in the halves, perhaps it's because he's not a traditional half and defenders really are not used to it and don't know what to expect. He may be creating a different type of half. Interesting to see above somebody mentioning Brad Fittler and Schoey coming from centre to half. Wouldn't want to compare our modern day players to them but Moon has some really bamboozling footwork that must be a nightmare to defend against.
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| Quote ="rhino65"Moon has been outstanding in the halves, perhaps it's because he's not a traditional half and defenders really are not used to it and don't know what to expect. He may be creating a different type of half. Interesting to see above somebody mentioning Brad Fittler and Schoey coming from centre to half. Wouldn't want to compare our modern day players to them but Moon has some really bamboozling footwork that must be a nightmare to defend against.'"
I would still like to see him create a bit more, he is really just attacking like a fullback imo, hopefully he is doing some extras after training to improve his long passing and short kicking game
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| he hasn't a passing game, nor a kicking game. however he gets his hand on the ball more and is a very elusive runner. a massive threat with ball in hand
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| Magsy is alongside him doing the cutout passes and the kicking. At the moment it's working. I haven't a Scooby who does what at training, but I'm sure that all eventualities are covered......unless someone tells us otherwise.
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He's got more space to work with receiving the ball infield. He's got the pace to get out to the edge gaps or as you mention put the dance moves on tired inside defences.
He would be not be far off that effective at centre IF we got the ball out quick enough.
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| Good point....but quick ball to the centres is not what we have or can expect with our setup at the moment.
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"I would still like to see him create a bit more, he is really just attacking like a fullback imo, hopefully he is doing some extras after training to improve his long passing and short kicking game'"
Hopefully so, let's not forget he's only several games into this new role and is learning on the job and has the potential to improve his weaker areas with gametime. I know he played there a bit as a youngster and some said he shouldn't be picked at HB because he wasn't successful when played there in his NRL days but his last decent run in that position was when he was only 20....and in the NRL, in a struggling team. More experienced, different league, different style, think he's got a future at HB and isn't just a temporary fix.
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"He's got more space to work with receiving the ball infield. He's got the pace to get out to the edge gaps or as you mention put the dance moves on tired inside defences.
He would be not be far off that effective at centre IF we got the ball out quick enough.'"
Even if we did, that still always restricted him to one particular part of the field whereas this allows him to do it across the field.
And Keinhorst has proven to just as effective at centre and he shows you don't have to be all dancing all tricks for that position.
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| I'd really like us to go for the jugular in this one. Huddersfield are out of form, they have injuries to key personnel and the coach looks to be losing the dressing room. This is a perfect opportunity to really improve our points difference as it's getting quite congested at the top.
Oledzki should keep his place on the bench, I know that Doncaster are only part time but he was skittling grown men every other carry. If Golding or Sutcliffe are back I would leave out Walker. Brough might be a petulant sod who is declining rapidly but his kicking is still dangerous and I imagine Walker will struggle to deal with it.
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| Leeds need to be wary of wounded Huddersfield, who have traditionally made things very difficult against us. Go for the jugular by all means, but let's not assume it will be a walk-over. Let's hope the recent loss against Warrington, who were in a similar position to Huddersfield at the time, is not repeated...
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Leeds need to be wary of wounded Huddersfield, who have traditionally made things very difficult against us. Go for the jugular by all means, but let's not assume it will be a walk-over. Let's hope the recent loss against Warrington, who were in a similar position to Huddersfield at the time, is not repeated...'"
I was meaning more turn up with the attitude we would have if we were playing Wigan in a play off game. If we play a full 80 minutes with the intensity in defence and creativity in attack that I know we have the potential to do then we will run up a score.
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| Quote ="WF Rhino"I was meaning more turn up with the attitude we would have if we were playing Wigan in a play off game. If we play a full 80 minutes with the intensity in defence and creativity in attack that I know we have the potential to do then we will run up a score.'"
Not for me with regards to turning up with a playoff style attitude. It's a long season and we know better than most about pacing ourselves, don't think you can throw in too many playoff style attitude performances without it catching up to you. We've got Catalans away and Cas at Magic weekend, rather we approach them with that attitude.
Let's do a professional job, if the opportunity is there to rack up points with regards how Hudds perform then so be it, but I'd full understand if we took our foot off the gas a bit if we get into a comfortable lead, just hopefully don't get as sloppy as the last two 2nd halfs. For me I can understand the worry about Hudds being wounded but I think them only playing on Sunday will really mess up there chances of bouncing back in this one. Around 2-3rds of their 17 will be on a short turnaround.
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