None of them. I don't know who, but its not my job to scout for a half back although it should have been somebodys around summer time last season when it was clear to everyone it was a role we needed to address. We had plenty of time to sort it but didn't or worse the club didn't and still don't think it is an issue, who knows for sure?

or he didn't fit into wilkinsons style of play. ferguson bought plenty of stars who didn't fit in there either.
carney is yesterdays man for me sorry pal

That is a very short sighted perspective IMO
Admittedly Carney is a very talented player,but the poor attitude that he has shown consistently on none game days would do no good what so ever to a clubs culture IMO
Would you take his undoubted talent over the damage he causes?

No NRL club went anywhere near him when he went back home and touted his undoubted talents to all of the NRL clubs that were crying out for a talented half back,No club even offered a 2nd tier contract like the one Benji Marshall accepted at the Broncos,Why was that?

Carney is a bad egg and it's no wonder that Catalan finally realised that he was poisoning their club and decided to get rid of him and his boozy buddies last season

He made Cantona fit and it changed Utd from a contenders to winners that is what great players do.

Carney has still got 3-5 years in him at SL level - different class even now just like Bird a world away from other SL players.

Of course Carney would be a risk were we to have gone for him but i would love have loved to see Watkins and Moon (back where he should be) running off of him.

Top managers can handle the likes of Carney - he just needs to get with the right manager - Murrey would have sorted him - management is a great skill there are reasons why the likes of Ferguson, Bennett, Guardiola etc have sustained success it is not just a matter of luck it is their skills as managers that gets egos to believe in the collective and why the being greater than the sum of their parts matters

Agreed we would score a shed load - but scoring doesn't matter its all about not conceding he printer!!

So would you sign Todd Carney for the Rhinos yes or no?

Me definitely

Why do you think that no NRL club was interested in him despite his talents?
Why did Catalan get shut despite his talents?

A Big call by you Sal condoning his obvious off field antics by wanting him at Leeds
I hope that you took this same opinion and that you didn't vilify Zak Hardaker for his indiscretions at the club despite showing that he was an undoubted talent?

Carney is a great player and would fit the Sinfield mold perfectly (in playing style). However he has been run out of every club he has played for, has been struggling with niggly injuries. He's 30 years old and has hardly treated his body like a temple. Carney is a risk, decent upside in we get 2 or 3 years out of a very good player, worst case scenario we get a couple of years of an expensive locker room poison, dont give a shot to Sutcliffe and Lilley and in two years time we are back behind the 8 ball.

Smokey, i agree with Gotcha in regard i don't think Sutcliffe will make a half.he is a good rugby player no doubt and will make it somewhere, likely back row but we need to move on from him at 6. Lilley may become a player but still needs a few years of developing.Mags is near done and there is nobody else.the thought of having Carney for even 2-3 years now would be a god send imo.

not for me, way to much baggage.

Just a query for Friday's game as am thinking of going and taking a friend along from Scotland who will be about... How long does it (roughly) take to get along to Hull and how bad might the traffic be? Thinking of taking advantage of the 'free coach travel' offer but don't really have any prior experience of making the trip (as am sure many of you do) to know what to do for the best. Thanks for any help you can provide.

@jamie - depends where you are talking of travelling from. On good friday from leeds to hull it should be not too bad traffic later in the day as it might be on a normal friday as it is a bank hols but you never know.if it is steady i would say just over an hour.if you are are traveling from north of the border i have no idea i am afraid! Enjoy the game

Friend is heading down early Friday morning so would be heading from Leeds on the free buses being offered by the club. Just trying to work out if this Good Friday would be the best / easiest time to go, but I never go eastbound on the M62 any time other than at 7.30am during the week so have no idea! Thanks though Biff.

It is all about how you manage the player to get the best out of them - Carney may well be a lost cause but you cannot ignore his talent - he is way ahead of any other HB in SL.

If you look at Hardaker he appears to have settled down under Powell's style - this may be a temporary blip or a sign of him growing up either way he seems to have adapted positively to a change in management approach.

I second that.

Is he?
Remind me when he showed that consistently over a season or even half a season?
I remember him being quality at Canberra & the Roosters prior to his usual meltdowns but he's dine zip over here to earn such praise.

I'd have definitely taken Carney for a year.

Silly question, of course he vilified Hardaker and also had a go at the club and coach at every opportunity too.
He's now laying the foundations to have further digs at the Leeds coach by mentioning how well Hardaker's doing, if you think going 2 months without getting in to trouble is doing well of course.

I agree, we also don't need to be breaking the bank to buy a winger who's had a few stand out games in a 2nd rate team, to replace a stand out winger who's had a few poor performances.
Just my opinion mind.

Agreed

Im not convinced he's got a full year in him mate as shown at Catalans & i think his NRL career has clouded his SL efforts.

Fair point re-money & i agree.
Id be happy to offer TJ a deal were he OOC or pay a nominal fee should TB's form continue though.