It's the Super League bug, wingers can't help but drift in and allow their opposite winger a free run to the line. The games just on Sat night showed that.

Wingers are like drummers in a rock band.

This is why stats dont tell the full story.

On the rugby league extraordinary video, hall said he only started as a winger when he joined Leeds.

Some of those 8 games Hall missed out on surely were a result of playing outside Hardaker, who ended up finishing some of the chances himself whereas Ablett now or Senior in the past would of passed to Hall.

That's true. Without Brisbane mentioning it I wouldn't have realised Hall had missed out as often as that this season or how that compared to the other notable try-scorers.

The interesting discovery for me is that Jones-Bishop scores 1.12 tries per game on average when the Leeds score exceeds 30 points but falls to 0.23 per game when it doesn't. (Hall's range on the opposite wing is 1.17 to 0.69.) Neither stat comes as any great surprise though.

Hall has also many different centre partners that cant help the situation.

Hall's tries have generally come from three major sources. A Webb/McGuire cut out pass, a Sinfield cross-kick or a ball from his centre. Quite possibly in that order in terms of quantity. Lauitiiti offloads would be in the mix somewhere as well.

Waking up to a busty blonde with a big-ass is something I would label an 'interesting discovery'.......

.....each to their own......

(oh by the way the above is in no way is meant to disparage 'r lass)

Agree with this Rastrick.... I think Leeds have put faith in Ablett, Watkins, BJB etc in the past would make sense to do the same for Keinhorst. One area that is very promising is Keinhorst's defence, even the games he has played teams have continued to target our right side, but Watkins and BJB can have electric attack...although would be nice to see more ball down our left side...maybe ablett into the pack keinhorst in would give more balance to that attakcing style.

Watkins rushed out of the line trying to make an interception a couple of times against the Wildcats. Maybe he just needs to calm down a bit, but he's always looked like he has the bags to make a very good all-round centre. Bish worries me though, his in-goal defence especially isn't very good.

To answer the OPs question Hall is already a complete all round player in his position and is very young. To get the tries he has with the carousel of centres is remarkable. Whether William Eve likes it or not, his consistent displays and his dominant performances in last year's internationals mean the WBW tag is merited, or at least arguable.

Watkins and Hardaker aren't quite there yet and have some weakness to be coached but are remarkable talents that could easily exceed Hall. Watkins has been criminally under-used as an outlet this year.

BJB has the potential to be a very good player (not as great as the previous three). I think his defensive weaknesses are overstated. An awful lot is down to the lack of a decent scheme and a carousel of different players defending inside him. Many tries see him in no mans land but with two or three man overlaps to defend. That is down to what has happened further infield.

Ablett is a great player but has suffered because of his utility value and hasn't settled into one position.

So, right now, I'd say Hall is the most valuable because he's the complete player but next year it could, hopefully, be Watkins or Hardaker who go on to exceed Ryan.

The defensive vulnerabilities on that edge seem to come about because of players on the inside being tied up and creating overlaps as others have said. Maybe something to be said about the fact we're not defending with a traditional hooker through the middle?

McGuire and Burrow are defending on our left edge when Burrow is at hooker so are we over compensating for that and being left short on the right?

Not convinced its solely the fault of BJB and/or Watkins.

Thought McGuire was generally defending on the right on Saturday? Not that he was always there, and it only made the difference as to whether we were left 4 on 3 or 4 on 2.

Anyway, Delaney seems to do most of the work around the ruck that you'd expect a hooker to do, so Watkins is doing most of the defending you'd expect a second row to do, so....nobody is doing most of the defending you'd expect a centre to do. It does seem to be about structure not personnel.

Sinfield tends to defend on the right I think? Or he normally does at least.

The second part of what you say I'd agree with. Be interesting to look at the defensive performance when we've had a more "traditional" hooker in the middle.

Any game plan that doesn't involve trying to get Watkins the ball either in space or 1-on-1 with a defender as often as possible is crazy. For a big lad he can beat a defender all ends up with ease, and he's always had a very good passing game.

On defence I tend to think its at least as much about structure as individuals.

Having said that, why wingers (including some of the NRL's finest) continually come inside so often when their centre at least has a chance of making the tackle is beyond me. Most of the time when they do that they're making the attackers' job easier in terms of selecting options, and leaving the wing completely exposed.

I'm still looking forward to the possibility of Chisolm coming through

hasn't he been released?

If I had to choose 1 from our current backline?

I'd be quite upset.

Hall is currently (in my ever so humble opinion) the best player in his position in Super League. Still don't understand why anyone wants to move him away from a position where he is among the best in the world. I hope he spends his whole career at Leeds and breaks many, many try-scoring records.

Watkins is by far the most exciting prospect the country has produced at centre in many years. Not the finished article yet, but improving steadily and already a match for most in the league.

Hardaker would already probably be England full back if Tomkins wasn't playing there. Can also keep getting much better, but is already brilliant.

They could all still be at Leeds for another 8-10 years.

BJB is still a little (but decreasingly) mistake-prone. But, as others have said, spends too much time defending in no-man's land, which I think stems from the number of defenders sucked inside by our horribly frail ruck defence. But there are signs of brilliance in there too, and I think he can go on to have a very, very good career on the wing for Leeds.

Fair comments there I think.

'Wingers are confidence players' is the old saying and it fills the bill with this lad.

Earlier in the season/last season he struggled under the high ball, but he leaps with such confidence now and is very good in that area - by and large.

So he seems to have the work ethic to iron out weaknesses in his game, so I hope he can take that into his positional play in man marking and getting in position to deal with grubbers. More to come from him IMO. The superstarness of Watkins and Zak can leave BJB a little under the radar.

Isn't BJB knocking on a bit to be still given the 'young lad learning' excuse ?

I believe he has been potty trained for quite some while if that's what you mean?

I think that one of BJB's major defensive weaknesses is that he does not know how to deal with the ball that's kicked through to him and/or behind him on the ground.
Something that IMV now precludes the coaching staff from picking him as a full back.
He is no longer a developing kid, or at least he should not be viewed as such.
Defensivley he has not improved as much as I'd have expected.

I would have dropped him earlier in the season, but looks to have improved in the last quarter of the season..
Still not sure if he is "good enough"....

He was. Hence Lee Smith bloated prescence in the team.