Hang on, a certain poster on here last night was demanding GH sack himself!

I believe most Rhinos fans can sleep happily in the comforting knowledge that despite the wayward direction the club is heading on the field of play, at least it's business interests, it's assets and it's profitability remain in extremely good nick.

What else could possibly excite a fan of their club and the game of rugby league more than that?

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Maggie Thatcher arguably succeeded in elevating this country from being the 'sick man of Europe' into an economic powerhouse. Perhaps we should have made her PM for life in suitable gratitude.

You have absolutely no say as to who the chief exec of this club is.

But in your opinion the coach can be judged on this short period!

If you give credit to GH for the recruitment of the academy players that have formed the backbone of our recent successful side you have to also be critical of GH for a lack of succession planning that is one of our current problems.

I tought you said on the other thread "ITS THE PLAYERS...STUPID"

Would not get rid of Bailey, but the rest should go, along with Cross

As for youngsters to fill the void of McGuire, Burrows and Sinfield. Which youngsters to you have in mind because having watched the reserves last night in the curtain raiser, none of the halves look upto the mark.

Brian Mcdermott, James Lowes and Damien Gibson all need to go before this Easter. Also Barrie Mcdermott should be booted out of is role as Head of Youth Development.

Groom or to be recruited.
We've got 4 years for Sinfield. Young lad to be recruited could be 16yrs
Would suggest Danny will get another contract and that gives us 2/3yrs. Young lad could be to be recruited poss 16yrs
Burrow needs to be addressed asap. Thought we got a young lad from Wigan. How's he going? If not up to it then get looking and recruit short term competition.

Anyone know of a coach with excellent pedigree who is out of work, and lives locally?
Someone who knows Brian Mac and James Lowes very well?
Someone who could come and advise/help/coach???

I've heard a rumour......

All the players looked very glum and serious at Kirkstall this morning, especially JJB, not his usual exuberant self. More interesting was that Uncle Gary was down at Kirkstall to be at least part of a "talk" with the players this morning. I've never seen Hetherington there for that kind of thing before.

The fact that he referred to Leeds as "we" on the red button show last night confirms it IMHO. I don't think it's the right thing to do (unless it's purely for the rest of this season) but we do need to improve the quality of the coaching as well as the stuff we do on game day.

If you read the full posting it includes GH and then subsequent dialog.ue with G1. Do keep up at the back please.

Spill the beans SD!!


G1 i think GH is a great CEO and there's no way i'd suggest replacing him or forget what he's done for our club but Keith has a point with his post in terms of where we are and some of the decisions made i.e squad retention who we've recruited andwhat's needed moving forward.
If it's just a veiled pop at GH and another troll then i've mis-read it!

This is a debate - whilst I respect Gareth's views doesn't mean they are correct or I agree with them - or him mine.

I think the club has now exhausted Hetherington's talents and some new ideas/talents are required.

If you want to see what happens when the bosses get it wrong look at Bradford - they were an equally dominant team in their era and look now. Anyone who thinks this cannot happen to Leeds is nieve.

I would suggest as major stakeholders we have a massive say in who the chief exec is - it works out in the commercial world?

You cannot continue to make mistakes of the nature Hetherington has recently and expect to continue.

Much easier to make a success when you have almost unlimited funds i.e. Caddick, given the economic climate I wonder if the financial state of the club is quite as bouyant?

If Leeds take a tax hit - which seems likely now - on the scale that people are talking about that would have very serious implications to the long term stability of the club.

Where the alarm bells started ringing for me was McClennan's contract dealings, McClennan was far too clever and left Hetherington exposed big style.

Debating coaches and players and tactics is one thing.

Throwing in a serious theory that GH, part owner with a track record to beat anyone else in the game over the last 10 years, sacks himself is a waste of everyones time because it is never going to happen.

Its a private company and we ain't stakeholders, we are paying punters. Nothing more. The good thing about that is not that we can drive out GH, but that if crowds and therefore revenue fall as a result of the drivel served up so far this season, he might act sooner than expected in correcting his dreadful coaching appointments.

The only way anyone can have a say in who is CEO is by buying the club, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

There's some real feeling there. I agree in some ways regarding playing style etc.

This is the bit that's hard for some to accept. You can't stay out infront all the time with the salary cap in place - it's impossible. Saints are the nearest comparrison to us , but it's easy to forget they haven't won the title since 2006, and won nothing for 2 years. It's now a question of "do we trust the guy in charge to realise what needs doing, and to then go ahead and do it right"?
We may have to take this season like a kick in the nuts and live with it.

In these days of salary cap equality, a certain amount of fall & decline is inevitable.

But it is relative and what for Leeds is decline for others would be triumph.

Leeds will as usual finish the season stronger than they started especially with star players returning.

But you have been spoiled with 3 straight GF wins and I feel you will come to regard that as a golden era to be looked back on fondly.

It's not the norm and that golden era has passed but of course Leeds will remain a great club who will always be in contention and always respected.

Cyclical you say?

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I accept the points about any sport being cyclical, particularly a SC one, but I don't believe that many (sane) fans expect Leeds to win either trophy every year. Personally, now that we've done the "winning it" bit, I can live without success for a few years, as long as we are competitive and maximise what we have got to work with, and this is the bit that we are failing with in my view.

The current group of players are much more capable than they are currently showing, and although some are not what I would hope to see playing for Leeds, they are individually and collectively capable of much better.

So is the problem the coach, the players, or both? I suspect it's a bit of both, but given the fact that any changes in contracted players would probably involve paying them off and that would count on the cap, I guess we won't be seeing many changes in playing staff mid season. That leaves us with trying to get the most out of what we have (until the end of the year when there will be a whole host of players moving on I suspect) and begs the question "do we (or GH) believe that the current coaching team can achieve our potential this year?"

We will find out the answer over Easter I think.

I'm on that ... I like that ... a lot!

Another thought ... this is very familiar ...is spellchecker TVOC?

At least we know Gotcha's real name now...