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| Quote ="RAPIDO"Sums him up when you're main organising player is getting praise for defence and nowt else.'"
Two try assists as well
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| Quote ="christopher"This reads like we got mullered last night, it was 3 trys to teo and 2 to 1 in the second half, team spirit and fight were there last night, it was errors that killed us.
The way dome of our supporters are turning on Smith is s bit embarrassing IMO'"
Agees. Players were trying too, just one off those nights where nothing went for us……
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| You would think we had just got absolutely smashed.
It was 20-12 and we gave away a ridiculously easy try at the start of the second half.
It was awful weather, the ruck was painfully slow, we had a fullback making his SL debut, our winger went off early, we are playing away, that is a horrible ground to play at, they have probably the best kicker in SL, some of our back 3 had absolutely awful performances. And with all that we lost by 8 points.
I see some points about line speed and passive defence. Our defence isn’t passive when we are defending close to opposition line. Just watched some NRL this morning there wasn’t super fast line speed. Just because saints defend like that is doesn’t mean it’s the only way to defend. Players clearly instructed to apply line speed depending on field position, maybe it’s just the players aren’t good enough to do what is being asked?
Secondly, Leeds are not going to be consistent, the way they play is not set up for it. Could Hull get near a GF, no they couldn’t, because they play super structured, apply pressure and score from being close to the line. That’s how a number of teams play and the other teams play it much better. Could Leeds get to a GF, yes they could. Why - because they play differently, far more off the cuff, hot and cold and they can win one off games. Now i know a lot won’t like that but it’s true. It’s going to be entertaining, up and down and there will be awful performances along the way. Just going to have to accept that is where we are and that is the team we are at the moment.
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| We've had too many of 'those nights' in the opening stages to this season warrington, cas, Wakefield first half, Hull, cats first half really irratic, KR. it is worrying because playing badly is more the norm so far accounting for about 5 of the 7 games we've played. Martin last week was the embodiment of leeds this year, sublime one minute, ridiculous the next.
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| Quote ="Lprhino"You would think we had just got absolutely smashed.
It was 20-12 and we gave away a ridiculously easy try at the start of the second half.
It was awful weather, the ruck was painfully slow, we had a fullback making his SL debut, our winger went off early, we are playing away, that is a horrible ground to play at, they have probably the best kicker in SL, some of our back 3 had absolutely awful performances. And with all that we lost by 8 points.
I see some points about line speed and passive defence. Our defence isn’t passive when we are defending close to opposition line. Just watched some NRL this morning there wasn’t super fast line speed. Just because saints defend like that is doesn’t mean it’s the only way to defend. Players clearly instructed to apply line speed depending on field position, maybe it’s just the players aren’t good enough to do what is being asked?
Secondly, Leeds are not going to be consistent, the way they play is not set up for it. Could Hull get near a GF, no they couldn’t, because they play super structured, apply pressure and score from being close to the line. That’s how a number of teams play and the other teams play it much better. Could Leeds get to a GF, yes they could. Why - because they play differently, far more off the cuff, hot and cold and they can win one off games. Now i know a lot won’t like that but it’s true. It’s going to be entertaining, up and down and there will be awful performances along the way. Just going to have to accept that is where we are and that is the team we are at the moment.'"
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Im still a fan of Smith, but think he's maybe teetering the wrong side of the line separating fresh/new ideas and ignoring the principals of successful rugby at the moment. The slow, connected line speed was literally the worst tactic we could of used in those conditions with that kicker last night, we practically invited them into putting bombs up with the ammount of ground we surrenderd.
Feel like he's attempting to reinvent the wheel at the minute, the signs were there in Pre season, with what appeared to be way too much unnecessary piddling about with positions etc and has carried over into our season to date imo.
Really feel for Sam Walters aswel, if the teams picked on form, he should not of been dropped for the Cas game or last night.'" I can see Walters signing for another SL club.His stats last week were better than Sangnare and Lisone.More tackles and hit ups.I hope he starts against Huddersfield.I would play Tet in the backrow.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"I can see Walters signing for another SL club.His stats last week were better than Sangnare and Lisone.More tackles and hit ups.I hope he starts against Huddersfield.I would play Tet in the backrow.'"
Walters will get plenty game time this year, we’re actually pretty well stocked in the forwards for once so they will get rotated.
Think we’ll see Martin in the centres for an extended period with Macdonald on the wing so Tet may well get used as a SR
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| Smith said he'd be rotating the forwards all year. I imagine Walters will be fine with that so long as he sees he gets chances.
But he just has to bite the bullet and drop Olpherts, and he also needs to start picking Johnson every week. Hooley had an absolute mare, but that was a terrible game to debut in, especially after having played just one reserve game this year. He needs to get a run of games in the reserves and build his confidence. It wouldn't do Olpherts any harm to do the same.
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| Quote ="Lprhino"You would think we had just got absolutely smashed.
It was 20-12 and we gave away a ridiculously easy try at the start of the second half.
It was awful weather, the ruck was painfully slow, we had a fullback making his SL debut, our winger went off early, we are playing away, that is a horrible ground to play at, they have probably the best kicker in SL, some of our back 3 had absolutely awful performances. And with all that we lost by 8 points.
I see some points about line speed and passive defence. Our defence isn’t passive when we are defending close to opposition line. Just watched some NRL this morning there wasn’t super fast line speed. Just because saints defend like that is doesn’t mean it’s the only way to defend. Players clearly instructed to apply line speed depending on field position, maybe it’s just the players aren’t good enough to do what is being asked?
Secondly, Leeds are not going to be consistent, the way they play is not set up for it. Could Hull get near a GF, no they couldn’t, because they play super structured, apply pressure and score from being close to the line. That’s how a number of teams play and the other teams play it much better. Could Leeds get to a GF, yes they could. Why - because they play differently, far more off the cuff, hot and cold and they can win one off games. Now i know a lot won’t like that but it’s true. It’s going to be entertaining, up and down and there will be awful performances along the way. Just going to have to accept that is where we are and that is the team we are at the moment.'"
Great post . Completely agree with all of that. Could not have summer that up anywhere near as well …..bravo….
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| Quote ="Shabino"Great post . Completely agree with all of that. Could not have summer that up anywhere near as well …..bravo….'"
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| Quote ="christopher"Mcdonald had a bit of a calf strain, should be ok for next week.
Fusi has knackered his ankle, I bet we don’t see him for a few months.'"
Jesus wept. What a waste of money he’s been
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Jesus wept. What a waste of money he’s been'"
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Jesus wept. What a waste of money he’s been'"
He’s been unlucky with injuries for sure, but not sure Medicals involve crystal ball usage……
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| Quote ="Shabino"You can if they are homesick etc and they want out.
But let’s hope we see Fusi again in not too distant future…..sadly looked a bad one though….'"
Hes been disinterested on the whole since his arrival add a bad lower limb injury now and you would think he may want to head home on a free ticket like Leeming.
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| Quote ="RAPIDO"Hes been disinterested on the whole since his arrival add a bad lower limb injury now and you would think he may want to head home on a free ticket like Leeming.'"
He’s not going to go home whilst injured for nowt, why would he?
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| Quote ="christopher"Was always going to be about next season when Smith joined IMO, the cap has been so badly managed it was never going to get fixed in Smiths first full year.
Look at Watsons first year at Hudds and likewise Powells at Warrington.
However I haven’t written us off this year, we could go on and win something.'"
I get the comparison with Powell, but the fact is that Wire have just gone from finishing 10th to being legitimate title favourites in one-off season.
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| Quote ="Simmo71"I get the comparison with Powell, but the fact is that Wire have just gone from finishing 10th to being legitimate title favourites in one-off season.'" but he’s had two off seasons to sort it out
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| Quote ="Seth"We've had too many of 'those nights' in the opening stages to this season warrington, cas, Wakefield first half, Hull, cats first half really irratic, KR. it is worrying because playing badly is more the norm so far accounting for about 5 of the 7 games we've played. Martin last week was the embodiment of leeds this year, sublime one minute, ridiculous the next.'"
Exactly Seth.
Excuse after excuse for basically poor performances for 6 and a half games.
One good half and we can make the GF.
I'm not too bothered by the result or the scoreline.
It's the performances that are disappointing.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Really? Are sure about that? Player for player comparisons would take too long, but if you compare the spine positions: Coote v Hooley - no contest; Abdul v Austin - Win for Abdul especially at their ground; Lewis v Sezer - Lewis is a player a good many on this site have said they would like as a replacement for Sezer; Parcell v O'Connor - Seasoned pro surely edges the rookie. In other positions; did we have a winger as good as Hall? Is Martin really better than Linnett? My point is that Hull KR, (and most other teams in the league) spend up to the cap, just like we do. We aren't just plain better than them like in the early days of the Golden Generation. To win games like last night's we are going to have to play very well. Last night, in terrible conditions, we didn’t and as a result we lost. We'll beat plenty of good teams when we our spine clicks, but it's obvious they are not collectively good enough to do the job every week. That's why this year's recruitment is absolutely key.'"
Who we going bring in though? We don't have the money to bring in quality from nrl.
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| Quote ="Simmo71"Exactly Seth.
Excuse after excuse for basically poor performances for 6 and a half games.
One good half and we can make the GF.
I'm not too bothered by the result or the scoreline.
It's the performances that are disappointing.'"
We can make the GF.
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| Quote ="christopher"This reads like we got mullered last night, it was 3 trys to teo and 2 to 1 in the second half, team spirit and fight were there last night, it was errors that killed us.
The way dome of our supporters are turning on Smith is s bit embarrassing IMO'"
I'd be more worried about some players not repaying the coaches faith in selection.
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| Quote ="christopher"Two try assists as well'"
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| Quote ="Shabino"He’s been unlucky with injuries for sure, but not sure Medicals involve crystal ball usage……'"
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| Quote ="RAPIDO"Sums him up when you're main organising player is getting praise for defence and nowt else.'"
Both our tries came from Sezer kicks. We did not get into their end enough to give halves the opportunities that KR had.
Not saying he was brilliant but he was one of our better players for mine
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| So were just down to giving injured players abuse now?
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