Agar out? When someone who can really move us forward is available to come in, yes. Out now because we’ve looked crap the last two games, no.

But that's a different question.

Is Agar getting the best out of the players at his disposal, and have we shown progress? No.

For me, the way to go would be bringing in a highly rated assistant from the NRL, who is innovative and can move us on, who needs to use us as a stepping stone for 2/3 seasons to get a head coaching gig in the NRL, and then be nurturing an internal successor during that time who works under him.

Yes but the club seems passive, the way the situation is communicated, the language is very passive. They should be actively seeking the right replacement now. We don't know the inner workings, so maybe they are, but it really doesn't smell like it.

It’s integral to the question of Agar ‘out’ because someone has to come ‘in’

Kneejerking now will not help the team at this stage, i agree with your general point but it needs to be planned not kneejerked in.

We have twenty odd rounds left a lot can happen

But the situation we've put ourselves in requires a lengthy winning run to claw back ground lost, which we simply aren't capable of. For example, we win the next 3, but then lose the game after that, win 2, but then lose again. That's arbitrary but very representative of what we can expect. After that it's 5 wins from 10, and, approaching halfway you're looking at mid-table with that.

I rarely post on here, usually just browse the usual suspects playing message board tennis, we need rid asap.
Its not just the defeats its the manner of the defeats, clueless in attack, indisciplined and lightweight, been the same for ages, he's just not up to the job of taking Leeds where they need to be

It really doesn’t require a lengthy winning run to get into the playoffs.

Teams have had poor starts and would have said exactly the same about their team, as Ive said before look at Wigan in 2019, im sure their fans said exactly the same at the start of that year.

You’ve also got to take into account other teams that have had a good start but may come unstuck.

You say we aren’t capable of a winning streak, how do you know? The halfbacks might click, new signings perform well and who knows we might have a bit of luck with injuries. Basically predicting anything after 3 rounds is pointless, especially if you deal with absolutes like we can’t go on a winning streak, of course we can, will we? Who knows that’s the fun of dport i suppose.

Agar not ideal now imho as we seem to lack much of an attacking game plan. As others have said 3 games isn’t much and we’ve had the usual severe disruption . Think we review the after next 3 games. Is Long ready to step up if so? We don’t want to fall out with Agar as has done a good job until now, and is clearly a role for him at the club…..

Ok, I get that briscoe at centre and wacky jack wouldn't be part of Agar's ideal set up. And you might expect that our attack would be a bit stilted as a result. But it's not a case that individuals are mis-executing moves. What and where are Agar and Long's attacking plans?

I'm talking about challenging for the grand final, not just getting into the playoffs, and there is a difference.

And we may yet do that.

Not until there is a good replacement,that we should be looking for .

They don`t need attacking plans.
It`s in Leeds DNA to play off the cuff

I know.

No, he must stay, just needs time.

shouldn#t he move downstairs where he was meant to be

mcdermott supporter?

if the 3 losses were against the lower placed teams im sure leeds would be much more concerned. Losses to catalan wigan and warrington spread over a few extra rounds with wins against toulouse and salford say would look way better.

I'm sure the management know what they want and will be looking out there.

Absolutely no point changing the coach now.
He is moving to DOR, so the club must be working on a plan.
But I fear a long, hard, fruitless season.
And instead of a new coach coming in with us on the up, he will be coming in to a rebuilding job.

Oh for a number of years yes, his success over that period supported my thoughts on him at that time. In his latter days I could see it was time for him to go, and on top of hearing what an unpleasant individual he could be.

It's a long drawn out affair is this rebuilding job isn't it. What are we in now, year 5 of the transition?

Whats this new fangled idea of all these teams playing tonight with 2 starting props and 2 on the bench. Do these teams have a different DNA to Leeds'?

Goes at season end for me if he doesn’t deliver top 3 finish. The players were so poor last night, they did constant brain farts and that wasn’t Agars fault to be fair. But we’ve got to improve and fast

Errors are always down to individuals. But when you see a constant pattern of repeated mistakes, like with the lack of discipline, then it starts to be more a coaching issue.

So, I'm sure the search for a head coach is extensive and ongoing. It's not exactly going to be messaged out that we're desperately looking for a head coach, because what message does that send to the fans and players. Getting rid of Agar is not a viable option without a replacement lined up. Sacking Agar means he leaves the club, and Long is probably in charge in the meantime. I don't think that would change anything for the better.

For the context of 3 games, we've been without 3 of our first choice back 3, so lack impact out wide. We've also lost our whole 2nd row.
In the Warrington game we made a good first of it and just came up short. At Wigan the performance fell off a cliff when Tet and Prior went off. Against Catalan, we made bucket loads of meters, but didn't have strike out wide to execute.

Get more games under the belt for combinations to click, get some front line players back in the team and see how we are after 10 games or so.

Looking more like 85-86 through to 1998, I’m not one for just wanting to throw youngsters in, but its more and more apparent that the likes of Briscoe Smith and a few others are simply past it by some distance or not good enough. Lets just give the likes of Max Simpson Broadbent oconnor a bit of a run of games.