Did all the teams play the exact same fixtures over those 10 rounds? It really means very little if not.

The teams don’t play the same fixtures over the course of a full season anyway because of the loop fixtures so by that reasoning the league means very little.

Im not saying it means much other than we have improved with Agar and probably more importantly the recent signings which gives a bit of confidence for next year

It means nothing at all in reality. Who were the worst teams? Pretty sure Warrington and Catalans would be it over those 10 rounds. 3 of our games, and all wins were against those sides.

Only the full set of fixtures is a measurement of where you are.

Not really when we have had a massive amount of change throughout the season.

Your point about form of other clubs doesn’t really make sense as you could apply that logic to the full season.

Anyway i only mentioned it as I thought it was interesting to see a ‘form table’ as obviously so did Sky

I agree, that is interesting to see. Sure, the full season is all that matters but I at least would be happy to say that shows progress under the changes the club have made in terms of agar and the signings.

As it stands 6th or 7th if we add quality to the squad & staff id expect 4th/5th.

Way too early to say, we need a half, without that we'll be between 6th-8th

Expectation is that we are not involved in a relegation fight next year. Aiming for the play offs, but that's not the measure of success. I'd like to see progress and things being lined up well for 2021

Gotcha are you a glass half empty guy in the real world or just on here?



The full seasons results determine where you finish in the league. Leeds have gone through significant changes through the course of the season, a change of coach, some significant signings and the emergence of some home grown tallent, being three. For me the sky table is an indication that progress has been made, more is needed.

For what it's worth, going back to the expectations for 2020, I'm optimistic about how we will do next season, I think that we will finish in the top half. But i'm a glass half full guy.

I am a realist, and I have enough sense to realise that those 10 games included 2 against Catalans, and one against Warrington, whom everyone was beating over that period, hence why I asked who were the worst performers of that form league. Hence further why that period of just ten games means very little. For a start, I bet Wire win most of their first 10 games next season.

The problem is you are adding in a variable that you can’t really quantify, the simple fact is on the form of the last 10 games we were in that position it means nothing more nothing less.

It means absolutely nothing, as I said.

Why pick the last 10 games to produce this meaningless league table? Why not pick the last game of the season when he hammered Wire and therefore finished top of the league??? Is the helicopter in the air with our hub cap yet?

It's an indication that although it was a poor season, we actually finished the season in reasonable form. Given a fairly decent set of results towards the end of the season one could project some optimism onto next season.

I guess the form league indicates that Leeds were doing much better after Agar stated getting his message across, and Sinfield weeded out the bad apples and replaced them with better players.

As an optimist I would say that all of that makes me hopeful we'll have a better season next time out, though I do recognise that 10 games doesn't give a full picture, but then again a full season doesn't, due to lock off the draw, uneven fixtures and teams being understrength at various stages.

How do Leeds NOT do better next year with a developing set of young players, a couple of almost-NRL-quality players (Ava & Martin) plus a functional half back combination?

I’m expecting another couple of signings too before next year kicks off.

Although that quality across SL isn’t what it was, the margins between success and failure at this level are not massive. Change a few key players and it changes your outlook. What I do like is that the club isn’t resting back and we’re still looking to improve where we can.

It’s early to predict for 2020 with several signings still to be made but for now I will go with

Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Leeds
Hull fc
Toronto
Catalans
Cas
Huddersfield
Salford
Wakefield
Hull kr

Yep.....far too early.

One thing you will predict is very game to be "a must win game"

The boldest prediction is Toronto being in SL. Elstone confirmed that their promotion isn't a done deal regardless of their play off results. Be interesting to know how many chairmen are currently opposed.

Will they oppose it though? I mean each of the other clubs gets an extra £150k next year if they come in, due to not getting a share of money.

Boldest is been sane enough to say such a club would finish 6th. They would have an hell of a battle not been bottom.

Think you’ve placed us slightly too high. I’d go for 5th or 6th for us.
And Toronto way too highly. I appreciate they’ll make signings but I think their team currently is around 10th 11th SL quality.

They have to let them in. If not they’ll be up for a hell of a court battle.

If there's no opposition why isn't it already approved? After all, they've lived up to their billing as overwhelming favourites so far. They've had a full season to sort this but it still isn't.

No, while I agree that TWP probably wouldn't make top 6, I also consider it likely that they wouldn't finish bottom. I think there's a couple of clubs at least that might think the benefits to them of admitting a lamer duck might outweigh the extra £150k. Particularly if Toronto's home fixtures are once again backloaded and given their financial position that would allow them to strengthen through short term signings if the need arose. Their admission would be a bear trap for certain clubs, make no mistake.

It’s one of those ridiculous situations you wouldn’t see in a major sport. The way RL makes things up on the fly is crazy sometimes.

On what grounds? Elstone's stated it's yet to be determined which suggests to me that TWP has nothing in writing from SL confirming automatic promotion.