Well, yeah we should be.

We have a class centre playing standoff and no recognised kicker.

It doesn't take a genius to realise we need to invest in a goalkicking standoff.

We don’t need to buy a kicker. Sinfield was hardly the finished article when he started kicking. As for wanting Moon at centre. That would be totally unfair on Handley who has been fantastic against some top teams.

Hopefully Watkins will get his mojo back and this will become a non-issue. He clearly is a reasonably good kicker from a technique perspective.

Anyway, the kicker has to be a guaranteed starter and play full games - currently only Watkins and Myler tick those boxes.

I can't remember Leeds particularly picking specialist kickers - probably only Simon Irving in my time who was continually picked on the wing despite being incredibly slow, but he was solid enough. In fact for years when I first watched Leeds we seemed to have kickers who could be good on their day and awful on others - Kevin Dick, Dave Creasser, Mark Conway, Colin Maskill etc.

Yeah not convinced on Handley.

Got the ball stripped from him one on one by Webster minutes after a shocking knock on.

Seems to have a habit of right place/right time though - but defos not a centre.

This has been an annual discussion for Wiganers since Richards left, seems to have been much improved this year though after Charlie Hodgson was brought in to coach the kickers. A similar move for you guys would probably work also.

Yes I was thinking that CM.
We could use Kevin Sinfield to help out there or whoever is the kicking coach at Yorkshire Carnegie.

True enough although he's not alone where Webster's concerned, seen him do that a few times. What did impress me was how he didn't go into his shell afterwards, still went looking for the ball - and used it well.

Regarding Handley, after the ball strip I remember seeing someone have a chat with him, words of advice and a bit of a pep talk seemed to do the trick as he did not do much wrong after that. If he can make such a big change during a game after a few seconds chat with someone on the field he is the kind of player I'd like around. Obviously listens to good advice.

I know it was the case on Friday, but how often is goal kicking the difference between a win and a loss?

Does anybody have the stats on games won or lost by goal kicks for 2017 say?

Watkins has a glass foot when it comes to kicking 10 metres to the right of the sticks.

He has missed 6+ in the last year. It would have been 7 had he missed the one against Hull when his slipped during the kick.

In this area of the pitch he should be kicking them over every time.

He missed in this same area against Cas in the first half. If only we had those 2 points.

The most ridiculous comment I’ve seen yet!
Jake Webster has done that to far more experienced centres than Handley. He was brilliant against Hull and Saints. That step for his second try against Cas was top class. Senior-esque. The pass to put Hall away when most (Moon included) would go for the hat-trick showed great composure and selflessness. I hope we stick with Handley at centre. He’s overtaken Sutcliffe imo.

Yup. Nice to see us pose a threat both right and left. Been lacking.

I hope we stick with Handley at centre. He’s overtaken Sutcliffe imo.'"

2 games a season maketh not.

We'll see, but i'm not convinced. He's still in the headless chicken bracket for me.

I would be pleased to be proven wrong.

It’s a big problem across many clubs in RL this. Quality tee kickers are dwindling

Trent Hodkinson was available but for whatever reason we didn't make a move.

There are a few about, but Gary's chequebook remains covered in dust.

Watkins kicked well today, and to be fair to him, he's had a superb start to the season overall, and the responsibility of the captaincy, and a great world cup has taken his game to the next level.

Agree about his overall performance. The captaincy is really bringing out more in him and that we've had a few fight back performances already this season speaks volumes about the group and he's obviously leading the group.

As for his goal kicking, I said previously it looked like he possibly hadn't been practising much since last season ended and wasn't doing it when with England and being one of the last back to preseason. Hopefully today's a sign he just needed time to get back the momentum he had towards the end of 2017 with the boot.

Interesting comment from Mac in the press conference, he basically said I don’t care about Kallums form jyst about how he is mentally. I think the captain job was just what he needed to help with his recent issues, he looks a class above this season