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| What's the tally, 31 tries in 31 games? A no brainier for me.
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| Quote ="OldFart2"What's the tally, 31 tries in 31 games? A no brainier for me.'"
His England CV covers his selection the bell above is just a 10 bob troll
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| How many of them are against France
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| Quote ="Kenny236"How many of them are against France'"
How many English wingers have left Billy Slater in a crumpled snot heap or scored the quality of tries Hall has against the very best at International level gobsh#*e?
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| Hall has been one of the few top class England players whenever he has pulled on a white shirt during his test career, and that includes games against the big two. Whatever your opinion of him, that is fact.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Hall has been one of the few top class England players whenever he has pulled on a white shirt during his test career, and that includes games against the big two. Whatever your opinion of him, that is fact.'"
Class finisher for sure but defensive attributes distinctly SL standard as he concedes as many as he scores against the big two. That is also fact, whatever your opinion of him.
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| Strange isn't it , how many times a wingers defence is questioned , when more often than not it is ' in field ' mistakes that have left them in a no win situation
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| Hall's decision-making vs Australia isn't as good as it should be, but as you say, generally by the time the ball gets that far he's in a no win situation.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Strange isn't it , how many times a wingers defence is questioned , when more often than not it is ' in field ' mistakes that have left them in a no win situation'"
This. Unless a winger gets brushed aside then the bigger defensive mistakes were made in-field.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Strange isn't it , how many times a wingers defence is questioned , when more often than not it is ' in field ' mistakes that have left them in a no win situation'"
So failing to catch the high ball is an 'in field' mistake?
How often do you see wingers going into a tackle that the centre has already made and leaving his opposite winger un marked?
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| Ridiculously often - in the NRL also. Its amazing how often wingers come inside for no other reason than they don't trust their centre to make the tackle.
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| In many ways it's the hardest place to defend. There's so many decisions to make on a split second basis. Whilst I accept that Hall may not be the best defender, there aren't many wingers who are. Other elements of halls game make up for defence
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Whilst I accept that Hall may not be the best defender, there aren't many wingers who are. Other elements of halls game make up for defence'"
Spot on. If you tried coming up with a list of good defensive wingers it'd be a pretty short list and of those on it would you ever pick anybody for England. Many reasons why we don't beat the Aussies.....the defensive choices of our wingers isn't one of them.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So failing to catch the high ball is an 'in field' mistake?
How often do you see wingers going into a tackle that the centre has already made and leaving his opposite winger un marked?'"
Or prematurely ejaculating himself out of the defensive line (Sinfield stylee) leaving the line wide open for a walk-in try by the opposition winger.
A balanced view takes into account both his class finishing skills and his appalling defence.
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| You had me right up to "balanced view"
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| Quote ="FGB"Watkins and Hall having virtually no pre season with us (return after Xmas and then 3 weeks in Dubai with Eng squad) will no doubt be used countless times as an excuse for a lack of cohesion in the backs.'"
Both returned at the start of this week and the England camp has now been cancelled after talks with SL clubs.
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| Good to see the SL clubs flexing their combined muscle in the fight against international RL.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Good to see the SL clubs flexing their combined muscle in the fight against international RL.
SL by plenty.'"
Just seen that, really dissapointing.
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| the nrl wouldn't have allowed it and rightly so. a bloody stupid idea
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| Quote ="tad rhino"the nrl wouldn't have allowed it and rightly so. a bloody stupid idea'"
I don't see why the idea is stupid. I would maybe agree that the timing could have been better, but at some point we have to try and put internationals at the front of everyone's mind.
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| its htiming. pre season is vital. have a week off in midseason and have a weeks camp. problem solved
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| Quote ="tad rhino"its htiming. pre season is vital. have a week off in midseason and have a weeks camp. problem solved'"
Agree, wonder if that's the plan with the Samoa test or if England will just fly out, play and fly back.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"the nrl wouldn't have allowed it and rightly so. a bloody stupid idea'"
Correct.
They'd allow it for Origin camps though.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Correct.
They'd allow it for Origin camps though.'"
Only because they see the origin games bigger than internationals
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| Quote ="William Eve"Correct.
They'd allow it for Origin camps though.'"
Then again the origin coaches probably commit to more than the two days of the camp that Bennett allegedly had.
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