Agree with this.

No. I'm voting to leave the EU, I'm not voting to elect anyone. I think I made a strong enough point that I don't share the politics of the idiots lined up to lead the Brexit campaign any more than those who vote to stay would follow tha politics of Osbourne and Cameron. For me one of the few positives of the campaign is that it's clearly obvious that Boris is totally unfit for any office. Win or lose they are finished. If the referendum has neutered Cameron and Osbourne for the rest of the parliament then that's another win.

I believe something needs to change and only a leave vote will do that. As for Scottish independence, last thing on my mind. I didn't get any vote on it last time they had a referendum.

There may well be plenty of factual info out there,but there is a lot of sh?!- too ( both sides) but mainly scare stories from remain and this is the kind of stuff that people will be reading if any!
Unfortunately some people are pretty stupid and beleave just about anything that the British government tells them and I think that they will scare enough people into voting for remain.

They aren't finished though. Too many rich and influential people including the people behind big business and the media will ensure their survival regardless of the vote.

We're not going to agree on this (which is why I didn't want to start it) but it doesn't really matter what you want from your vote or the reasons behind it, what matters is what you get from it, and you won't get what you think.

And I think my more apocalyptic vision of eternal Tory rule augmented by a empowered far right is a lot more likely than any positive localism or more accountable government. (And anyway accountable to who? To the resurgent right of little England?) The 'change' that's motivating you to vote is going to be for the worse. And before anyone says Remain Project Fear just have a look at your golf-club Goebbels spearhead in front of his race-baiting posters. Again *that's* what, that's who you're voting for. It might not have been when this started, but it is now.

like or loath them they are a million times better than corbyn in there

What a disgusting, fear-mongering apology for a point of view that drivel is

You're right. We're not going to agree.

Expand, if you're bright enough.

Well *that's* agreed, at least.

No expansion necessary. I have re-read your post & there is not one ounce (in your case, gramme?) of fact or reasoned argument. Just a load of single-minded, fear-inducing speculation.

Your argument is that of a six year old:
"If you don't let me ride your bike, the bogey man will come & get you in the middle of the night"

I'd far rather have Corbyn than that bunch of utter utter b£stards. They're the type of utter and complete c¥nts who are willing to start a war and kill millions of people for profit.

Always fun to listen to Leavers dismissing the Remain campaign as "Project Fear", while Farage lines up in front of a photo of a queue of refugees in an attempt to convince people they're all coming here.

While Johnson makes up figures we supposedly pay to the EU that everyone with any kind of economics background has already rubbished.

While Rees-Mogg lies about the number of European Parliament votes that go against the UK's better interests.

If there's a Project Fear being operated in this campaign, it certainly isn't one-sided. The Leave campaign are doing their damnedest to convince the electorate that untruths are facts, in the hope that they'll be too stupid to go out and fact check them.

This referendum should never have been 'passed', the general public are so blinkered by rhetoric and their own agendas it's dangerous as they don't see all sides of the debate. Watched Cameron on question time this evening and genuinely felt for him, he outlines a ruling should we stay in that means benefits can't be accessed until immigrants have worked for 4 years, if they can't get employment they go home; on one side he's got leave campaigners doubting his word and on the other people saying what about the poor families and children who need to seek refuge, can't win!

Would tend to agree more with this than any doubts over Corbyn

No sympathy at all: he's a pratt for allowing it to come to this

Too many people will make their decision based on personalities or political divides rather than the real issues. This is a referendum with one question only to answer. It is not an election and after the vote no matter which side wins the elected government will remain the same as will most of the personalities. If the vote is to leave the EU nothing will change for much for the public for at least a couple of years in reality.

For much of the campaign the focus has been on the economy which is important. However we have only heard the negative side with so many scare stories put out by the Remainiacs who have based their doomsday senarios on nothing more than licking their finger and holding it up in the air.

Not enough has been said about the risks of staying in this bloated and decaying institution. They never offered any balance and never costed the economic effect of the many problems in the EU including a declining share of world trade, a lack of competitiveness, disgracefully high unemployment for much of the EU, an ongoing single currency crisis which has bankrupt Greece and put in place lifetime austerity for a generation, an overblown budget and a political agenda for those at the very of the mess.

So unable to make a positive case for staying in the EU Messrs Cameron and Osborne have run a negative campaign of fear to try and justify staying in a failing and increasingly complacent EU that has a fundamental lack of democracy. The fact that they have rolled out various acronyms to side with them in no way proves their case as most of these groups belong to the global elite who have a vested interest in the status quo which has served them so well to date. eg banks & global businesses. Some of them receive funds from the EU (taxpayers) so it is no surprise that they will not bite the hand that feeds them. While others have greedily gained from their expensive (and almost corrupt) lobbying of the un-elected EU decision makers.

Anyone predicting what shape the economy will be in in 15 years is frankly making it up and should not be taken seriously especially if these so called experts are economists many of whom wanted us to join the Euro and who failed to see the economic crash coming.

The Remainiacs have been getting increasingly desperate as they wheel in our so called friends and partners who then proceed to threaten the British public if we do not do as they tell us and that that if we vote to leave they will make it difficult to do trade deals with the single market. Having a seat at the table with these sort of bullies gives you some idea of why we will never have any influence in the EU and is not the sort of club I would wish to be a member of.

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and the 9th (I think?) biggest exporting nation. We sell 53% of our exports to non EU countries and this is has been growing for many years. By far our largest single export client is the United states who buy £88bn from us (17% of exports) with whom we have a healthy trade surplus of £36bn and all this without a trade deal.

Our exports to the EU have been declining for many years with our 2nd biggest export customer being Germany where we sell £44bn p.a. (8%) but they sell us £71bn (17%) so we have an alarming trade deficit of £36bn p.a. The next two largest customers are the Netherlands and France where we also have a trade deficit.

Much has been made of the size of the single market but in practice within the EU the UK exports its goods and services in the main to just a handful of countries Germany, France, Ireland and the Netherlands. The Netherlands is a global gateway, through the port of Rotterdam, that acts as an intermediate destination for trade between the UK and other countries. This is known as the Rotterdam effect. So in fact much of our exports to the Netherlands (total £34bn 7%) are not destined for the EU at all and this distorts and inflates the total EU export figures.

Our exports to Ireland (5%) are historical and we have a common language. So part of our exports to the EU (Ireland & Holland) will be largely unaffected by a Brexit and we only need to come to an agreement with a small number of EU countries in practice.

I have spent many years in export and I can safely say that business is not done by politicians and you do not need trade deals to make business. In fact it is politicians that love to be filmed signing these trade deals as it makes then feel important. World tariffs these days are quite low and getting lower and and would have less effect than we currently encounter in reality with our floating currency which can fluctuate several percent each month anyway.

So the truth is nobody knows exactly how the economy will respond to a Brexit as there will be pluses and minuses either way.

The other main focus has been on the immigration issue which has been a weakness for the Remainers who have failed to understand that it is of great concern to at least half the population. Only leaving the EU and taking back the control will give us a chance to set our own immigration needs which will change from time to time. Without this control we are the mercy of Frau Merkel & co making policy without consultation which adversely affects other countries.

However the main issue which I regard as of most importance is democracy and control of our own destiny. In an ever changing world with many economic crises on the horizon the question we have to ask ourselves is who do we trust to make the right decisions that best serve our country.......our own elected government and parliament who we can elect or remove?.....or a group made up of people representing the interests of 27 other countries who we did not elect and whom we cannot remove and who have a political agenda which differs from ours?

Leaving the EU does not mean we cannot work together with our neighbours in a friendly way on issues that are in our mutual national interests, which includes trade and security etc. So I can see huge opportunities for our great country outside the EU. Any slight difficulties in the short term will be more than worth it in the medium long term.

So a vote to Leave is the sensible and positive choice while a vote to remain would be a sad and timid one for those lacking in confidence in our abilities. Be brave Vote Leave

I wouldn't be surprised to see big changes to the EU if we were to leave as polls show that the majority or people in most EU countries are now very dissatisfied. However I rather expect the vote will be to remain as those faint hearted types who lack the courage to risk change will prevail.

Oh, you were doing well there until... Remainiacs.

So what you're saying is that you personally know more than a plethora of leading economists both foreign and domestic, who to a man have said that it would be overwhelmingly negative for the British economy.

But it's been shown multiple times that EU immigrants make an overwhelming net positive contribution to the country. The things that most seem to be worried about relate almost entirely to non-EU immigration, which is something we already can "control" and don't, and which has nothing to do with this referendum.

The British government makes almost every single relevant decision for the people of this country. The Brexit campaign have tried to suggest that we are being constantly dictated to and told what to do by some foreign body but this isn't true at all, the EU regulations relate mainly to things like minimum trading standards which are beneficial for everyone and almost everything that the Leave campaign is currently blaming the EU for is entirely the responsibility of the British government already.

Again, what decisions do you think the EU is making or will make that shapes the 'destiny' of the country? The EU is not our national government and never has been or will be.

I'll vote remain for 3 reasons

1) immigrants aren't my enemy. They are my friends and colleagues. Also the idea that they and their countries working closely with us in Europe removes control from us is just wrong. I have far more in common with a plumber in krakow than the Eton and oxbridge aristocrats running our country. I'm also hugely uncomfortable with quite how willing leave have been to appeal to racists. It's disgusting. Not everyone who wants to leave is racist but leave have had absolutely no qualms about appealing to racists to vote for racist reasons

2)we don't and can't exist in a vacuum. The idea we will get 'control' is nonsense? We might gain a limited amo7nt of control over things like immigration but to sell in to Europe we will still need to abide by European regulations and we would give up our place at the table to even have a say. These things will be decided without us even being in the room

3)leave will damage the economy maybe not as much as some but it will damage it. The idea everyone in the world is just desperate to give us preferential trade deals is nuts

Poor Juan, trying so hard to sound reasonable, but the mask always slips.

This.

On balance I will vote to leave for the following reasons:
1. Immigration isn't an issue for me - if we leave the EU we will still allow EU citizens to reside and work in the UK.

2. The notion that the 5th largest economy in the world would be incapable of functioning successfully outside of the EU isn't logical to me. Plenty of smaller economies prosper without the need for membership of a bigger club.

3. The amount of money wasted in Brussels is by common concent massive. Perhaps if we didn't have so much of our money wasted by non-elected beaurocrats in Brussels maybe we would the necessary funds to spend on social housing, hospitals, schools etc.

4. The idea that we set our own laws independent of the EU is a fallacy. Any new laws we draft will have to be drafted in line with EU guidelines.

5. Freedom to do what we think is best for this country. It may have been good for the government to help in the steel industry but it cannot because of EU legislation preventing this kind of thing etc.

6. I know those on the left on here like the idea that the likes of Corbyn know best how to run your life for you - I am against government intervention wherever possible - the EU is just another layer of government intervention.

It's a question of degrees isn't it. All nations look for a trade deal which is 'preferential' but preferential to them. I have no doubt we can sign trade deals outside the EU with every country in the world. I can't for the life of me think why we would have more leverage independently than as part of the largest reading bloc the world has ever seen.



Conversely you could argue that the EU and European institutions are the ones making the government obey their own laws and regulations and respect people's rights and as such act as a necessary check and balance on government power limiting government interference.

Fair point, but who are making the checks & balances on the power brokers in Brussels/Strasbourg?

(Clue: it certainly isn't their auditors, as they have ignored them for the past 18 years)