Just can't reach my Wakey top in the wardrobe. Can Mcdermot lend me his bottom lip to stand on.

Thank god. I thought only I believed sutty was over rated. I don't want to overly bash a young kid who I'm sure is trying his best but he is so far out of his depth is silly.

Is McD to blame, yes in some ways as he keeps picking him but what are his other options right now? Sacking McD will not alter our situation at all.

You know when the Rhinos have reached rock bottom when the Wakey fans are taking the P155

God help you if you draw the Bulls in the CC

Has he ever been that good a coach? his finishes are 5th 5th 3rd 6th 1st and it looks like we will be out the top 4 again, we always have a period like this in a season and it is usually up to the players to turn around our form mid game, he always has a problem turning around our form.

Bluey getting sacked for me was an over reaction and he was probably the coach that I enjoyed watching us play under most (maybe the first 2 years of TS), we played good rugby and were consistant, being as good in regular season games as playoffs. 2010 we were trying a new system of playing right at the line and the players imo didnt get long enough to get used to it, when we played a more direct game at the end of the year we probably would have won the GF if Mcguire hadnt gotten injured.

Problem is he would've gotten slagged off if he didn't give "first dibs" to Sutcliffe anyway because too many are obsessed with having academy lads play. Recall many who wanted us to go with Sutcliffe over signing Widdop around 12 months ago.

I'm another who has never got the deal about Sutcliffe and he shouldn't be playing loose either as that should be a big forward.

Is it that he is out of his depth or is it the attacking shape?
Leeds' 2 most talented halves of the last 30 years in Mcguire and Schofield both rate him very highly and tip him for internationals down the line, surely they would know having played the position?

And Phil Clarke tipped him to win MOS within the next 5 years......if that's not a kiss of death to someone's career I don't know what is.

Not strictly true, we also had our entire training facility wiped out.

You cannot really take what mags says too seriously he is hardly gonna bag a current team mate. Said it before but Ablett has said he is a running threat with some passing ability

Doesn't mags have to tell the world he rates him? What else could he say publicly? As for Schoey, I'm not sure him tipping anybody really means anything.

Don't get me wrong, I really want the lad to succeed but he is like little boy lost at the moment and chucking him in the firing line week after week is killing him. That penalty miss today was down to not handling the pressure as it was very kickable.

Take your point about attacking structure as nobody is shining but isn't a lot of the attacking play meant to come from the SO? Stand-catch-pass is not what a SO should be doing at this level.

I don't see him at 13 either but also like a forward but some ball playing ability as well, we have at least Ward ablett and Cuthbertson there before Sutty

Wakey have now put you to the sword twice since Christmas, and I'm very happy to be the biggest joke in SL and not be given respect as this up and coming team deserves more teams will hopefully suffer your fate, however it's plain to see Peacock was leading this group of Leeds players from start to finish, he then tips up at HKR and suddenly Chris Chester is on his way, MCD is in trouble and treble or no treble its results buisness and I can't see Leeds rhinos in bottom 4 being good enough, Injuries or no injuries, See you at BV for another 2 points xx

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He has been saying it for years, when asked who would be the future England half backs he said Gale and Suttcliffe.
Obiviously he wouldnt say if he didnt rate him but he has no obligation to publicaly rate him when we were possibly gonna sign another half

He does look lost at times, he clearly isnt ready to become the dominant half, hopefully with Mcguire playing first receiver, he can inject himself when he sees an opportunity instead of trying to organise the team as well

George williams only really started playing well from June onwards last year, when Smith and SOL were organising the team, I think we should stick with him for the year at least, if he doest progress then he may be converted to fullback or centre as he clearly has a good running game if nothing else

Lilly should probably go on loan if possible to gather more experience as he doesnt look ready for week in week out 80 SL

We should only buy a half if it a long term replacement for Mcguire, Gale would be ideal but I imagine Cas have him locked on a long term deal, not some Aussie who is looking for a last payday

Yea your right, training facilities have no effect, thats why all the top prem teams just practice in someones back garden right?

Yep, those facilities at Weetwood used by the ruggeroids during the RU World Cup last year are rubbish in comparison to those at the Kirkstall Riverside Paradise aren't they?

Hey, you've actually GOT training facilities. We're having to use the ones at Featherstone Rovers. How come we still won?

Yes this seasons results and playing standard is well below any expected level but this is not football where you are under risk after 3 losses. Let BM get on with it and I'm still confident that he will improve the team to a better standard and back to winning ways. It's evident that every player from 1-25 are suffering from a lack of confidence, not an easy task to turn around

Or even worse, Halifax

Because you were the better team

They are playing like they never met each other until 5 minutes before kick off. The only reason a lot of people are not too concerned is because this is a fairly regular occurrence during McD's time in charge. I actually think that for the same reason the players subconsciously accept this level of performance as well. Been there before, it will come right. Not a bad way to think sometimes but do it once too often and you suddenly turn into Salford for 10 years.

It has been clear to certain posters and myself that since Sinfield announced his move to Union last year that we needed to sign a goal kicking play maker/game manager ideally at halfback. However the consensus on this board was that we didn't need another half back and that Sutcliffe was good enough.

As I said last year Sutcliffe has never looked to me like a play maker as IMO his running game is more suited to the centre or fullback positions. I do not know why we did not recruit for this all important role as it was a big gamble IMO to risk no injuries to McGuire. So it was no surprise to me that when McGuire pick up an injury our attack would struggle.

Your right mate, lets name all the top quality halves knocking around superleague that are off contract...ummm...

Today was a real low point in an already disappointing season. Losing is an inevitable consequence of combat it the manner of that defeat that dictates its acceptability. There is no shame in defeat if you have given it your best shot and have been beaten by a better side. Even the most ardent McDermott supporters must admit this didn't happen today.

Within 10 minutes there were 3 subs waiting to come on until the coach changed his mind. 15 minutes in 6/7 players made little effort to get behind the ball to help with drive forward - the were getting restless. The players' attitude is all wrong. Cuthbertson took on the role of stand off with a kick on the last - what is going on?

The hole left by Briscoe for the second Wakey try was as bad as the one left for the Ashurst try in the first - joke defending at this level. The less said about Hall's try the better - he certainly had Hardaker beat for pace.

Wakey deserve some praise their defending was excellent especially last ditch efforts on Jjb and Hardaker.

This is a team deprived of confidence, direction, comittment and purpose, blame the players yes but the coach has to question wether he is still the right man for the job?

We signed Ferres who was not off contract and Garbutt and Faloon too. Just don't complain or be surprised when you take the field without a play maker at 6.