What about you knee jerking about Lilley not being fast enough to make it in SL after how few appearances then ?
Have you wrote him off already?

Don't forget the SPOTY effect and having to play the Kiwis back in October.


Wow... that close against NQC, eh?

If only [i'The Three Geriatrics'[/i had still been available as well, a Leeds WCC win perhaps?

Whoops, sorry... I forgot. No chance with Silverwood reffing because he's so biased against Leeds as evidenced by the 12-6 penalty count in Leeds favour last week. I'm guessing the penalty count would need to have been 18-0 for you to alter your opinion on that particular score?

Whether people agree with my views or not at least I don't do a Lord Lucan for a year when things go opposite to what I hoped unlike yourself......(yeah yeah sure you weren't checking up on here in 2015

).........the VT thread when you claimed the Club Wembley seats for Eng/NZ were empty and people posted several photos proving it to be nonsense and you disappeared for months was classic.

I've never said that so I don't know what you're on about.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think the quality of training facilities,and when and where they can be accessed, have any effect whatsoever on how a team ultimately performs?


Yes. Put Briscoe back in and we don't concede that early 2nd half try. We also have additional impact when returning the ball. Put McGuire back in and we have some additional leadership plus he puts some cracking passes out to the likes of Hall on the left that may just have got us over the line during some of our periods of pressure. Given that both coaches say NQC got control of the game just after that poor second half start from Leeds, and given that the first half showed we could match them and control the game too, I don't think it unreasonable to suggest some more composure, leadership and fewer errors in that period could have led to a closer game in the second half.


Possibly. Sinfield especially would have been useful both for his leadership and kicking. But they're retired so I'm only comparing with what we have at our disposal this season. A fully fit 2016 Leeds against a fully fit NQC would be a fairly close game I reckon.


Not sure what the penalty count has to do with anything. It's irrelevant. But nice attempt at a diversion away from the point I was making. Do you have anything to say on that other than NRL = amazing, SL = ?

Too right, people on here wouldn't be happy with anything in the halves
If they run the ball their wasting it, if the dont their not challenging the defence
If theyve got no pace theyre not gonna make it, if they rely too much on pace they arent good enough
X has no kicking game, Y has no passing game
Blah Blah blah



said it last week, there is only ben hunt, Johnson, Pearce and JT that you would call 'complete halves' and even JT has lost his pace!

You can't ask William proper questions. He never answers even though his cheerleader claims that he's "knowledgable" about the game.

I'm quite sure that you do know what I'm on about. Among the litany of excuses for Leeds poor performances and results to date, to what extent do you believe SPOTY and the Kiwis have disrupted Leeds season thus far?


That would depend upon what alternatives they have in place as backup. Do you know where Leeds are currently training, what facilities they are currently using, how they compare and how they are being accessed?


If the quality of training facilities, when and where they can be accessed, have an effect upon how a team ultimately performs, then surely that would remain the case if Briscoe and McGuire had played? Or are those two players so special, they are immune from the alleged inconvenience of being deprived of aforementioned quality training facilities?


Is Sinfield also so special that he's also immune from the alleged inconvenience of being deprived of quality training facilities?


So which elements of Silverwood's refereeing performance last week ensured that Leeds would definitely (according to you) be defeated then, if you are now claiming with hindsight that the penalty count in Leeds favour is suddenly and conveniently irrelevant?


The points you make appear more like excuses to me. It's a shame your excuse-making loyalty doesn't also extend towards some support for your hometown RL club but you're not the only one in that regard

Regardless of injuries the defence has been a shambles in all bar the first game. There are more than enough experienced players in the team to not let in 30+ in three consecutive games.

I've never claimed they have had any effect so what ARE you on about William? Or is just another attempt at diverting the discussion?


That wasn't what I asked you. I asked you do you think the quality of training facilities, and when and where they can be accessed, have any effect whatsoever on how a team performs? Will you actually answer it this time? Or will we see more attempts at diversions?


Whats wrong with you?


Again, nice attempts at diversion. Answer the question put to you.


why are you being so deliberately stupid? Do you actually want to talk about RL? Because mostly you just go around acting like a 10 year old shouting "boobs!" in his classroom at school and finding it hilarious.
Since you were insistent on picking an argument re training facilities, answer the question asked of you.
Then if you want to actually debate RL then act like a grown up and debate it. You can find my views on the game on a few threads on here in recent weeks. Read them then debate them if you want. And for your information I'm a season ticket holder at my hometown club regardless of how crappily it's run and I give up my free time in both Leeds and my hometown trying to expand the sport. Yet another childish attempt at a diversion hopefully dealt with.

Totally agree throw in poor discipline and no-one stepping up to the leadership role it's not all because of injuries/transition or off field disruptions.

I don't have my nose up anyone's backside - please don't ever suggest that again!!

William's posts are aimed at challenging your opinion - something you clearly find difficult to handle given the tirade of insults you resort to as soon as anyone challenges your opinion.

Jeff is not your orthodox poster - if you want to joust with him you need to be on your game otherwise he will make you look silly



On the training ground stuff - are we seriously suggesting that Kirkstall is the only rugby field in Leeds of its type and is so special that having to move to another piece of grass 100 x 60 metres with posts at either end has dramatically impacted a supposed professional set up to such a degree - seriously!!

On the gym equipment whenever I see video down the gym at Kirkstall and when I have been there for physio I haven't see anything that isn't available at you local David Lloyd/Virgin who I am sure would be delighted to have a group of RL players using their facilities every day.

Leeds is a professional set - they should have had arrangements in place after a couple of days at most - impact should have been very limited - plus they spent a week away in Florida.

Rhinos are training at a base that Scotland used in the yawnion WC & were full of praise for.

Experienced on an individual level, yes. Experienced as a unit, no. Later we'll be fine; whether we'll be too far behind to make top 4 remains to be seen.

But so what if it does take a season? There's some real promise about the side and I'm really looking forward to when it does work.

We only have the small sample of last season to go off as a guide as far as this new format goes, but after the 23 game regular season Huddersfield in 4th finished it with 2 draws and 8 defeats and Cas in 5th had 10 defeats out of 23 and were still well in touch come the super 8s.

Still way too early to start even thinking of writing off the season yet after 3 defeats, even if we lose a couple more in the next few games as they are against sides we expect to be up the top end with us its not a disaster.We should have more bodies back next couple of weeks, and at some point we will put a run together and all this will be a distant memory.Keep the faith.

Seems to me Leeds are just beginning the transition period that was inevitable. They were always going to struggle for a period. How long that is will depend on Hetherington and McDermott and the staff.

After all the success recently it'll be interesting to see how you adapt. Reading some stuff on here is like going back in time to pre 2004! It's more entertaining than it's been for a while.

Personally, I like it when we have a shoite run of form, it's just like the good old days. All we need now are some really lazy, powder puff forwards with a flaccid manhood and ten thousand idiots writing players off before they've played a handful of games. Oh, hang on a minute..........Utopia.

STOP all the moaning please. Just last season we had one that most clubs can only dream about. Everything that goes around, comes around. A couple of trophy less seasons will hardly kill whilst we build the next 'golden' generation. Ours is a very well run club that is the envy of almost all other fans.

If you need cheering up more, just think back to the 1980s and most of the 1990s; now that was grim with hardly a glimmer of hope save for the such as the John Player win v Widnes.

. My finest hour, those were the days

Aww bless, did you propose to him on Leap Years Day?



Yeah come to think of it, why do any sports teams spend big money on building top class training grounds when they could just pop down the local field and gym and get the exact same results. You should ring up all the owners in the country and tell them they're doing it wrong because clearly training grounds are just not needed.

By your way of thinking perhaps you could just go to some crummy run down dentist as opposed to a quality one because either way it's still a room with a dentist inside with tools. Or send kids to any old run down school as opposed to a much better one because both are just a room with a teacher inside at the end of the day.

Last season ended fantastically for Leeds, the greatest year in their entire history. Time to move on now though and concentrate on the here and now.

Supporters have every right to moan or not as they choose. You think the CEO, Coach and players won't be having a moan too after the opening four competitive games this season?




Leeds had plenty of hope throughout that period also, that it wasn't converted into trophies is a matter of history and some regret but there was no lack of ambition at Headingley or at many other challenging clubs and the rugby was more often than not entertaining to watch despite still being a predomiantly winter sport.

This season has started very poorly and not just for Leeds but for the SL also IMO. It will surely improve and it needs to.

If we all stopped moaning it would be the end of this forum.....bring it on I say



Much more fun seeing the apologists forever trying to impose their righteousness on the less forgiving

Fans should moan when we lose. If you're not happy with a win and upset at a loss you're not really a fan.

The biggest issue for me this year is whether we have enough hard heads in the squad who want to win at all costs. The loss of Peacock and Sinfield in that regard is huge.