you have stated a trial judged him and found him guilty tomorrow it will be all over "Nothing will come of this crime because Leeds and Hetherington run SL. If it had been Hock etc?'yes we have heard it all before

Why would his recent past be an issue? That he got done for homophobic abuse mean he's on eggshells for a potential gouge (or anything physical)? It's hardly like Hock and a history of contact with referees.

What??? I have said no such thing.

If he did it then he should be hammered. But a still photo isn't enough. The RFL should be looking at the video.

really ?we are used to this kind of thing we know how it goes.

Judge me on the things I say and do.

The use of egp isn't limited to the offence of which you are being accused of, and mitigation doesn't either. The mere fact he's picked up a 5 game ban already this season counts against him, irrespective of what it was for.

I tried to give a reasoned judgement on the facts of the matter. Obviously this was the wrong place to do so.

I've played 20 odd years and had fingers in my eyes loads of times, it just happens sometimes, this type of trial by internet makes me sickened by the human race.

Bit dramatic that last bit.

Have you ever gone into a tackle with your middle finger extended like Hardaker did?

If he gets banned for that than I will never attend an RL game again in my life seriously.

I just LOL'd.

I would if it was you

Haha. Touché.

In your opinion it does, there's nothing to say it'll count against him if it's looked at by the disciplinary, such is the difference between the two offences.



You can give a reasoned judgement on the facts, you can also have someone debate them on a message board. Don't get upset if someone debates them with you. Or should we all go "boo, hiss, ban Hardaker now!"

You and Zac then?

this is picking up pace now and if he is charged because of a snow ball has gathered pace by a crowd of trolls on the various internet forums then I fully expect the club the defend this vigorously and state their reasons why.Anti Leeds?no not really

No, that's coming from the operational rules, not me. He's been banned (significantly so) in the last 12 months, mitigation (like peacock rightfully got for example) doesn't come into it.

Debate requires some open mind. But no, Hardaker could physically do nothing to make sure his hand stayed out of hills eye, in fact hill should be banned for attacking poor misunderstood hardaker and the photo has been doctored anyway...

Where did he go into a tackle with his finger extended? Why would any player go into a tackle with their finger extended?

You're a chuffing moron and your "only putting it out there" comment is more transparent than the gap between your ears.

See that 2nd paragraph just really shows you true colours on this. I'm not and no one has claimed Hardaker's finger didn't get him in the eye but the intentions are differing between posters.

That you can't stand that and just had that little hissy fit is hilarious especially after your "open mind" comment.

Look at the picture. His middle finger is quite clearly extended into the eye of Hill. That is undeniable.

because gouging of course, is done with single extended middle finger.

Hardaker must have this planned for a while, not only did he think to have his hand in a position which wouldnt naturally be thought of as one to use for gouging, he also did it from behind and whilst looking away to disguise it.

Good job we have the internet detectives feeling particularly altruistic today and simply gather the evidence without bias or an underlying sentiment for us. Good work guys!

Just shut the f##k up and go crawl back under your rock

I take that reasoned debate isn't your forte?

Good thread this.

Nothing to see here.

Just watched it on iplayer and hill never touches his eye, never reacts in any way. Just a poor troll